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caruso

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venetian said:
Hmmmm I'll let you know how it turns out.
Using the boards as a viable means of "gauranteeing" payment is all well and good, but the fact that Cloudy Boy singles you out as the coincidentally lucky single recipient of his largesse in this promo should not cause anyone to forget the ethics, behaviour and history of this group and the individual behind it.

Remember Rated Player - all three months of it?

Remember Casino Extreme v.1, before he was outed?

Nothing's changed. The tactics have just been honed and refined over the years.
 

tim5ny

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caruso said:
Using the boards as a viable means of "gauranteeing" payment is all well and good


and sometimes using the boards just pisses them off even more. Good luck on getting your winnings.... you earned them fair and square, but a crook doesn't care about what's fair.
 

guesswest

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caruso said:
Using the boards as a viable means of "gauranteeing" payment is all well and good, but the fact that Cloudy Boy singles you out as the coincidentally lucky single recipient of his largesse in this promo should not cause anyone to forget the ethics, behaviour and history of this group and the individual behind it.

Remember Rated Player - all three months of it?

Remember Casino Extreme v.1, before he was outed?

Nothing's changed. The tactics have just been honed and refined over the years.

That may well be, but give the casino a CHANCE to do the right thing, maybe they actually have turned over a new leaf. If you're going to give them a negative rant before they've even done anything wrong, it gives them little reason to do the right thing. As of yet, all that they've said has happened is a glitch in the accounting dep. That may or may not be true, but again, give them the opportunity to do the right thing before lambasting them. If a casino is going to come under fire whatever they do, there's little incentive for them to exercise good business practice. And I'm not sure that Venetian was exactly 'using the boards to guarantee payment' here. This thread was already here with a number of general and pretty unrelated posts before she added to it, and if she's brought the existence of this thread to their attention, she hasn't mentioned doing so.
 
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venetian

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Wait a minute. I have been around for quite some time and have never abused this forum. I simply was telling of my experience. My original thoughts on this was that if I recieved $100 free I would play and see what happend. I hit two great hands and was able to cash out. I really thought that I would get paid. I have never EVER not been paid by any casino group even Grand Banks when they were at their worst. I am still optimistic that Crystal Palace will come through. I never even thought that if I posted that I would get my money by putting them out for everyone to see. And I certainly do not want to piss them off...I simply want to get paid. I am truely insulted. Guesswest seems to be the only one that understands what I am saying here. I don't even know who these people or incidents are that you are referring to.
 

caruso

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guesswest said:
That may well be, but give the casino a CHANCE to do the right thing, maybe they actually have turned over a new leaf.
Since you're a newbie I'll catch you a break and not respond to this, beyond saying: don't be making uninformed statements with zero knowledge of the situation. I know a HELL of a lot more about the character behind this operation than you.

venetian said:
I have been around for quite some time and have never abused this forum.
Nobody mentioned abusing it. Using any forum to ease potentially problematic cashouts is not abusive. Using is not abusing, and it happens all the time.
 

guesswest

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caruso said:
Since you're a newbie I'll catch you a break and not respond to this, beyond saying: don't be making uninformed statements with zero knowledge of the situation. I know a HELL of a lot more about the character behind this operation than you.

Is true that I'm newish to this forum, tho have been browsing it for over a year. That said I have read the threads concerning the examples you gave, and seen this guys name pop up in numerous other places too. None of that matters though, it doesn't matter if you were talking about Lucifer himself. The point is that this casino hasn't done anything wrong. They may do something wrong, but they haven't yet. If they don't pay this player I'll be the first to criticise them. If you're already hurling negativity at this casino before they've even put a foot wrong, that's jumping the gun at best, and damaging at worst. Consumer policing is about negative and positive reinforcement, ie calling it when businesses foul up and congratulating when they do the right thing. I hope if they do pay up you'll do the latter, if not, what incentive is there for any rogue operation to clean up their act?
 

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some issues

Some things in this whole thread that need clearing are.

1. Crystal Palace is in no way connected to Virtual casino. It is doloplex group "oliver curran" casinos.

2. Sci-fi is not in anyway a questionable operation. They pay fast and are amongs the good rtg casinos. However large withdrawals take time. They usually pay out only 2.5k$ a week. You will recieve withdrawals under 500$ the same day if they are requested before 12pm est.

-kavaman
 

caruso

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Yeah, I would play Virtual 100 times more readily than Cloud casinos.

"The point is that this casino hasn't done anything wrong. They may do something wrong, but they haven't yet."

I vote this for Casinomeister Staggering Statement Of The Decade.

Crystal Palace Casino haven't actually done anything wrong. Yes folks, you heard it here first.

Guesswest, I truly give up with you. You know nothing about these casinos, and with your zero knowledge of the facts you blithely reason that since you know nothing, nothing can be wrong, because there is nothing. LOL.

People here know well the facts about the Crystal Palace group, so excuse me if I don't waste any more time trying to educate you.
 

guesswest

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With that statement, obviously, I mean in this particular case. Referring to the fact that this casino is being attacked for not paying a player when they haven't yet refused to do so. Or if they do pay, for only doing so because of this thread, when there's no reason to believe they're even aware of it. My basic point is that you wait to see what the action actually is before attacking them for that action, that'd be due process no?

I don't even know what 'since you know nothing, nothing can be wrong, because there is nothing' means, to respond, but if you're referring to the fact that I have limited knowledge, I'm hardly denying it. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here in the first place. Regardless of your view on any of this, I expressed my own opinion politely - so you could consider showing some manners and spewing a little less vitriol at me.
 

bpb

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When a casino hasn't paid the last 999 people who claimed a bonus, there's no use saying "Well, let's not condemn them till we see if they pay the 1000th". Because

1) Even if they paid the 1000th, they still suck for not paying the prior 999

2) There isn't a chance in hell they're paying
 

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venetian said:
Well guys I also received the CD and agree with the few of you that said it didn't sound bad. I am all for 'free' money no matter what the wr is. I had a great time playing over the last 2 days and tonight met the wr and cashed out $1000. Got a Royal Flush and was dealt a 4oak on three hand bonus delux. Now the waiting game. Of course I never dreamed that I would actually meet the requirements but now I am wondering if I will get paid. I set it up through Neteller and they said 3-7 business days. Any hope I will see it??
Just catching up on this interesting thread, have you been paid yet venetian?
(or does 3-7 business days really mean 3-7 business centuries?)

Here's a first - I actually agree with caruso on this one! :D
 

caruso

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bpb said:
When a casino hasn't paid the last 999 people who claimed a bonus, there's no use saying "Well, let's not condemn them till we see if they pay the 1000th". Because

1) Even if they paid the 1000th, they still suck for not paying the prior 999

2) There isn't a chance in hell they're paying
LOL. How some people don't get that simple fact, eh?

W.C. goes back fully five years deceiving players and not paying. Rated Player, Extreme Version One, Crystal Palace & Co.

But if he pays ONE player, let's forget all that. We must, after all, do our "due diligence".

And anyway, maybe he's turned over a new leaf?

So shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt?

Let's catch the fella a break, maybe he was molested as a child and just can't help himself.

LMFAO. Comedy Central.
 

caruso

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Time for some "due process" for Guesswest. The most recent complaint:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/what-happens-to.9599/

The player was flat lied to by the casino. He could open a new account and get the new player bonus. He comes to cash out a win: "Sorry, no winnings for you chum, you broke the rules by opening a new account and claiming the bonus. What's that? We said you could?? Sorry, can't see any record of that - can you prove it?"

Hey, but let's go easy on this lad. Maybe he's reforming. Let's not condemn too soon. I mean, five years - it's not so long. Only fully HALF the existence of the entire online casino industry.

More "due process" required, eh?
 

guesswest

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I'm aware of the history of this group, I've spent quite a bit of time reading through the archives here and seen numerous examples of CP and his other gigs doing dodgy things. I'm likewise aware of the thread caruso points to, though it's by no means the most forceful example of that kind of behaviour. I certainly wasn't excusing any of that.

What I was trying to say, is that they haven't yet refused to pay this player. If they do refuse, without a good reason, then I'll be the first to criticise them. But regardless of what's happened before, give them the chance to do the right thing. And yes, it doesn't matter what's gone before, same reason you don't throw someone in jail for a crime just on the grounds that they've committed a similar crime multiple times before. That's what I mean by due process. Condemning them before they've even defaulted on this payment is giving them little incentive to do the right thing. That should be reserved for after the fact. Pre-judging the action before the action takes place makes them damned if they do and damned if they don't. Why would they even bother paying anyone if doing so isn't going to make their reputation any more positive than if they defaulted? If we don't give questionable operations the opportunity to improve, then how can we complain when they don't?

I'm also suspicious that they won't pay up based on their track record, but I'll certainly entertain the possibility that I could be wrong, until proven otherwise. Which is to say I don't take for granted that they won't, and am not going to berate them for not doing until they actually take the choice. We'll see what happens anyway, am sure Venetian will let us know.
 

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caruso said:
...Let's catch the fella a break, maybe he was molested as a child and just can't help himself.
Any more comments like this Caruso, and you're going to find yourself taking a bit of a break from this forum. You have been warned numerous times in the past of pushing your limits - this is it. Also, you need to address other members - new or old - with respect. I'm seeing some of this lacking here.

I know Crystal Palace get's you all riled up - you need to mellow out a bit.
 

venetian

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Thank you CM for your support. I found caruso to be very rude indeed. Here is (I hope) the end of this discussion. I checked my Neteller and there it was. I have been paid.
 

guesswest

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venetian said:
Thank you CM for your support. I found caruso to be very rude indeed. Here is (I hope) the end of this discussion. I checked my Neteller and there it was. I have been paid.

Have been out of town and just caught up with the outcome of this thread. Very pleased you did get paid, congrats on a nice win :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

venetian

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Thanks, and thanks for your support during this thread. I didn't know it would turn ugly. I had written off getting paid with all the negative comments and was pleasantly surprised....thrilled really, that I had two days of fun on their money and got lots of cash to throw at 32Red (my favorite place to play) I must admit though I do love the multiline VP on RTG software. I wish MG would allow triple play instead of four line and their game selection is very much like you would find in Vegas. Looked at Bodog but their payouts on VP are poor. So I'll stick with MG for now. Thanks again.
 
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