Been documenting all my gambling activity for more than a year

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I started documenting it on the 15th of January using my own personal website (open for others as well):

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I see most people in this website like to bet in casinos and not in sports betting, but honestly there is no difference between the two - none of these forms of gambling requires any SKILL !

Hope to be strong and stay away from gambling as much as possible! :thumbsup:
 
I take it this is a fairly new forum, as it appears the only conversations seem to be between the administrators.

I wish you the best of luck with your project.
 
On what do you base the assertion that sports betting doesn't require skill? Perhaps this is true when it comes to ...hmm, betting for "entertainment", as the house does have an advantage if you consider wagers simply to be random sized wagers on random numbers with a random outcome.

However, this certainly isn't true if you approach sports betting methodically. It also requires great knowledge and keeping up. It sucks the life out of "gambling" as well. To be honest, a day job is more fun.
 
I started documenting it on the 15th of January using my own personal website (open for others as well):

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I see most people in this website like to bet in casinos and not in sports betting, but honestly there is no difference between the two - none of these forms of gambling requires any SKILL !

Hope to be strong and stay away from gambling as much as possible! :thumbsup:

I am afraid this post from your forum (sorry, diary) says all that CM members need to know....:mad:

"So I got a new Barclays debit card in the post a few days ago (happens every several years once the card expires!), and that meant to me quite immediately that I can use it with Bet365, and even though I'm self-excluded from them permanently - you can use a new debit or credit card for the first time before it's being blocked, so that's what I did..."

Really, falls into the 'evil player' category IMO.
 
I won't claim to be able to read dunover's mind, but I think when he read the OP's post about using a new card at a casino that he was
self-excluded from, it may have reminded him of this, hence his use of the words "evil player"....

https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2013/
 
I take it this is a fairly new forum, as it appears the only conversations seem to be between the administrators.

I wish you the best of luck with your project.

No sir, I am only documenting my own story in the "My Story" folder in the forum and even there you can reply. Likewise the other folders are 100% open for others but the reason you don't see anyone posting there is because I assume many others don't want to participate or share anything there ... there were few people who posted something in the forum but only a few ... I guess my site is not so popular etc. and that's why you seem it conveys that "conversations" take place only "between the administrators", but that's not right.
 
On what do you base the assertion that sports betting doesn't require skill? Perhaps this is true when it comes to ...hmm, betting for "entertainment", as the house does have an advantage if you consider wagers simply to be random sized wagers on random numbers with a random outcome.

However, this certainly isn't true if you approach sports betting methodically. It also requires great knowledge and keeping up. It sucks the life out of "gambling" as well. To be honest, a day job is more fun.

Take Football/Soccer for example ... you can know the players and you can know the 2 teams involved, but you can never know if the referee would decide to award one of the teams with a penalty or throw a red-card at some. In the NBA, LeBron James can have his best day or have his worst day, the referees can also be a factor (ever heard of Tim Donaghy?)

So whatever factor you consider, the bookmakers calculate all these odds against you and on top of that you are "fighting" something that has no solid base ... don't get me wrong, betting on Romania yesterday to beat Faro Islands risking $10,000 to win $1,000 might seem like a "smart" idea but they only won 1:0 so it could have easily wiped out $10,000 of your hard earned money.

So no, sports betting has no skill involved, definitely not in the short run but also not in the long run because the odds are stacked against you! (Bet on NBA again and again and every bet deducts 10% of your bankroll, you risk 100 to win 90!)
 
Really, falls into the 'evil player' category IMO.

What is the "evil player" category? :eek2:
I'm being honest about what I'm going through.
Haven't gambled for more than 3 weeks now and wanting to keep it up.
 
I won't claim to be able to read dunover's mind, but I think when he read the OP's post about using a new card at a casino that he was
self-excluded from, it may have reminded him of this, hence his use of the words "evil player"....

https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2013/

Oh, I see.
Well, I spoke to Bet365's manager more than a month ago, about the fact their system cannot block new methods of payments (e.g. a new debit card), it can only block previously-used method of payments (for their merit I can say if you use PayPal/Skrill/Neteller once and you're on exclusion then it is automatically blocked, even if you try to change your PayPal/Skrill email etc. it won't work - which is good).

The manager told me there's nothing much they can do and that I need to take some sense of responsibility as well - I'm happy with that, I am ... and as you can appreciate I had no troubles getting paid from Bet365 whatsoever ... and we're talking about almost £2,000 here which is like $3,000! In fact I got paid quite right away after the game, no delay and no tactics.

I'm sorry if it sounds "EVIL" to you but I am not acting out of manipulation here, I was aware of my problem and I was aware of how Bet365's system works - they don't have a problem if I crossed the line and I neither ... and I am not going to call my bank telling them I lost the card just to get a new one to use with Bet365 neither! I got a new card because the previous one expired, and I'm now free of getting any new cards until 2017/2018.

I understand some gamblers abuse/cheat and try to do all they can to get money illegally (e.g. the terrible example in this post of those say they need money for treatment) - HOWEVER I am 100% transparent with my diary, 100% transparent with my actions, 100% transparent with what I do ... no strings attached whatsoever .... literally whatsoever.
 
Indeed, I'm glad somebody does their homework here....:thumbsup:

I understand it's very rational to put some doubts and question a person's intentions... definitely if he has a website talking about his own recovery ... but I can tell you this "homework" has nothing to do with me, it's irrelevant ... I am not trying to be an evil gambler, not trying to take advantage of Bet365 (I had losing bets with them as well, see in the diary) ... I am writing everything upfront and without twisting even a single fact. So I'm sorry but whatever "evil gambler" you're talking about here is simply not me, it could be a good nickname for others but I honestly don't see myself as one and not even close to one.
 
Honesty is the best policy

By the way I'd like to advise all of you that if you really want to quit gambling you should be HONEST about it with the persons involved with your lives, you really should and have to - this is not a recommendation but a MUST. Once you do so you would see the light in the end of the tunnel.

Yes, I had a few "falls" but just like the fall in the 8th of March it was one-off and thankfully I left it as one-off and not as a new series of endless amount of betting.
 
Take Football/Soccer for example ... you can know the players and you can know the 2 teams involved, but you can never know if the referee would decide to award one of the teams with a penalty or throw a red-card at some. In the NBA, LeBron James can have his best day or have his worst day, the referees can also be a factor (ever heard of Tim Donaghy?)

So whatever factor you consider, the bookmakers calculate all these odds against you and on top of that you are "fighting" something that has no solid base ... don't get me wrong, betting on Romania yesterday to beat Faro Islands risking $10,000 to win $1,000 might seem like a "smart" idea but they only won 1:0 so it could have easily wiped out $10,000 of your hard earned money.

So no, sports betting has no skill involved, definitely not in the short run but also not in the long run because the odds are stacked against you! (Bet on NBA again and again and every bet deducts 10% of your bankroll, you risk 100 to win 90!)
This is not true. Whatever events occur are not in any way more or less known by the book either. Of course there is an element of chance in betting. That is the primary reason why the whole thing is done.

If you are risking 10k for Romania to win 1k without a gigantic bankroll, you're not busting because of bad luck, you're actually busting because you have really poor bankroll management. There's no other way around it. Certainly there are bad beats and streaks, but you can be a profitable sports bettor in the long run.

Who says the odds are stacked against you? If you're playing odds that are against you, you're playing the wrong odds! Juice is juice. +EV is +EV. No one says it's easy to find +EV.

If you play NBA at -110 (which I assume you meant, moneyline)... no one is telling you to bet ml when your assessment of the game is that it's 50/50. Combine a good insight of the event(s) with proper bankroll management and +EV games.
 
This is not true. Whatever events occur are not in any way more or less known by the book either. Of course there is an element of chance in betting. That is the primary reason why the whole thing is done.

If you are risking 10k for Romania to win 1k without a gigantic bankroll, you're not busting because of bad luck, you're actually busting because you have really poor bankroll management. There's no other way around it. Certainly there are bad beats and streaks, but you can be a profitable sports bettor in the long run.

Who says the odds are stacked against you? If you're playing odds that are against you, you're playing the wrong odds! Juice is juice. +EV is +EV. No one says it's easy to find +EV.

If you play NBA at -110 (which I assume you meant, moneyline)... no one is telling you to bet ml when your assessment of the game is that it's 50/50. Combine a good insight of the event(s) with proper bankroll management and +EV games.

I've been going through similar discussions with many other bettors on other forums.
I suggest you read these factual laws (these are facts) and you can also read and browse around there, it might explain you exactly what I mean:

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Also please read here:

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But please read these 2 pages, read them properly (when you have time and you can read it, it's a good read, it's not academic or anything that's boring to read) - once and after you read it then please let me know your thoughts, but please be fair & honest and let me know your thoughts ONLY after you read the 2 links I gave you.
 
I'm sorry but the links are pretty much rubbish, and have little to nothing to do with what I said. Certainly it is valuable information when gambling is driven by pure compulsion, I'll give you that.

No one is disputing house edge as a mathematical model. Certainly the house does have an edge. Think of it this way:
A popular gambling site has 3-5% edge. Now, two questions:

a) Do you find it likely that an oddsmaker or a group of oddsmakers, can churn out thousands of events a day without being 5% off in one or more events

b)Have you ever actually watched a line move?

No one is saying it is easy to make money from sports betting. Your premise is still wrong, though. You are treating sports betting as a random event with absolute figures. It is equal to saying "no one can win money at poker in the long run because of the rake".

It's interesting that the site you linked talks about coin flips at -110. Certainly, that information is factual. But the entire premise of sports betting is finding odds that are off. You are talking about losing money in coin flips that are -110 (thus -EV), and I am saying that is true but no one is telling you to find -EV odds! Would you do a thousand coinflips at +110? I sure would.
 
I'm sorry but the links are pretty much rubbish

Sorry, and no offense, but with the amount of time you dedicated to read them (I am still in the middle of re-reading them!) I can say the same thing about you, this discussion is over from my end as far as I'm concerned.
 
I think they're of value to some extent, but I don't think discussing 20% juice which the site suggested is valid in any way. I can understand betting being a losing proposition in that regards but that certainly isn't anything anyone should spend their time with.

The most known betting operation that most people know, takes 2%. It's not in any way outrageous to suggest a linemaker can be wrong and you can be right with that margin.

(not that most people are right, that's why these places exist :) )
 
I think they're of value to some extent, but I don't think discussing 20% juice which the site suggested is valid in any way. I can understand betting being a losing proposition in that regards but that certainly isn't anything anyone should spend their time with.

The most known betting operation that most people know, takes 2%. It's not in any way outrageous to suggest a linemaker can be wrong and you can be right with that margin.

(not that most people are right, that's why these places exist :) )

Thanks for referring to the article, I appreciate that. Now I can relate to it.
Yes, you can look at my diary, my last bet was placed on the 8th of March 2015, I risked £1,000 to win £910 in an NBA game. It was a winning bet.
Now you can say I was "smart" for taking advantage of the linemakers, you can say "here you go ... 3 weeks have passed and you are still up £910 and probably don't think of ever betting again - so that is a great example to prove otherwise" ....

But no, I'd say no to that ... you know why? Because if you look at my entire history of gambling you would see that I lost a lot in the past ... I won $10,000 by betting on Obama to win the US elections, I won another $10,000 from NBA bets and even more - I had so much money and I wasted it like that ...

I know where I came from and I know that I met thousands of people with similar problems.
I might look at betting differently now, but I know where I came from, and I know that anything to do with gambling is risky ... I'd rather leave it behind me and focus on my wife which I love the most, I dedicate 1000% of me to her instead of wasting even 1% single percent on gambling.
 
I understand it's very rational to put some doubts and question a person's intentions... definitely if he has a website talking about his own recovery ... but I can tell you this "homework" has nothing to do with me, it's irrelevant ... I am not trying to be an evil gambler, not trying to take advantage of Bet365 (I had losing bets with them as well, see in the diary) ... I am writing everything upfront and without twisting even a single fact. So I'm sorry but whatever "evil gambler" you're talking about here is simply not me, it could be a good nickname for others but I honestly don't see myself as one and not even close to one.

By betting while permanently excluded? You can get them into trouble as well as yourself. You risked not getting paid if they followed their terms, you used a loophole and no doubt would have arrived here p!ssing and moaning if you had lost (because you were excluded and they took your bet) or had they not paid you when you won (again because they took your bet.)

This just shows the level of your addiction, the fact that gambling controls you and not the other way around. As with all addicts, you will do whatever it takes to have your 'fix'. Pouring your heart out doesn't assuage that knowledge.
 
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You risked not getting paid if they followed their terms

What part of this do you not understand?

I spoke to Bet365's manager more than a month ago, about the fact their system cannot block new methods of payments

No, I wasn't risking anything, everything is recorded and written down from their and from my end, as I said it's all very transparent.

no doubt would have arrived here p!ssing and moaning if you had lost (because you were excluded and they took your bet) or had they not paid you when you won (again because they took your bet.)

Like I did on the 20th of November 2014 when I lost £1,000 - right??

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This just shows the level of your addiction, the fact that gambling controls you and not the other way around.

No, this just shows the level of your ignorance and stupidity and not the other way around.
Between you and me I'm gambling free close to a month now and feeling great about it.
You maybe have issues.

I feel sorry for IDIOTS like you!
 
What part of this do you not understand?



No, I wasn't risking anything, everything is recorded and written down from their and from my end, as I said it's all very transparent.



Like I did on the 20th of November 2014 when I lost £1,000 - right??

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No, this just shows the level of your ignorance and stupidity and not the other way around.
Between you and me I'm gambling free close to a month now and feeling great about it.
You maybe have issues.

I feel sorry for IDIOTS like you!


Right, for someone who wants to run a forum (and clearly wants to publicize it through CM to save him talking to himself in most threads) maybe you would learn throwing insults about is futile and counter-productive.

As regards my 'stupidity' I will expose a bit of yours - you cite above losing on 20th. of November 2014 £1k as an example of NOT using an excuse when SE'd.

YET:


Posted 20 January 2015 - 12:24 PM


"I felt the urge to gamble for quite a while, but I managed to be strong and skip on many NBA games, but it led me to honestly just go ahead, open again a new account with Bet365, use my new debit card with my bank (just received it last week), and deposit £1,000 and bet it on the 4th set:

So (apologies for any of my inherent stupidity here) you couldn't have used the excuse I referred to on your quoted date of 20 Nov 2014 anyway! Get your story straight at least!

Spare your pity for my 'idiocy' and give it to your poor wife, as you clearly have done on your 'remorseful days' in your forum before crumbling again later...:)

And I am the idiot???:rolleyes:
 
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