Any suggestions for a new Slotocash (RTG) player?

[ChopleyIOM]

Hi all,

I've decided to have a change from Netent this week (not least because Wild Rockets isn't live at Redbet yet), so figured I'd finally get round to giving RTG slots some play.

I've taken up the Octoberfest promotion at Slotocash, which has given me a €1000 bankroll from a €250 deposit (300% bonus with a 30xD+B WR so €30,000 to wager!).

I'm allowed to play nearly all slots without restrictions as far as I can tell (not sure if the €6.50 per spin rule applies but I won't be spinning that big anyway), although it does list under the 'Blocked' list 'Some Real-Series Video Slots'.

So then, as a completely new player to the software (I played a small amount of RTG about 4 1/2 years ago and literally haven't played a single one of their slots since), what would you recommend?

I'm intending to roll at about €2-3 per spin and want to take in a variety of games, different variances, good bonus rounds, all that kind of thing.

Any suggestions for a complete newbie? Anything I really want to be avoiding? (i.e. Are there any very dangerous crazy high variance slots, that sort of thing?)

Thanks

 

[Osloking]

Every time i've won big and did withdraw with a decent amount it has been on

Mystic dragon
Rain dance
Paydirt!
Tripple twister
T-rex

but all of these i wrote is very high variance, try to mix your bet from 0.50$ to 1$ everytime you go 20$ down (this works atleast for me to get into bonus feature)

GL Chop

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thanks Oslo

I'm sure I've heard it somewhere on CM that RTG don't really have any low variance slots, and they're all in the medium-high-very high range, do you feel this is the case?

I think that even with my bankroll of €1000 I'll spin at €1 to start with, just to guarantee me enough time to really get a proper feel for the slots.

 

[Tirilej]

My advice is to not play those games with a Feature guarantee. I always get the feeling I never have any guarantee's on those ever.

I was stuck on all those newer 25liners, but recently I have gone back to all old 20liners. I believe the variance is a little lower on them, and when you win you might not get that very huge max payout win, but still huge winnings.

Good luck! Will we be able to see this also?

 

[harrys99]

I would agree with Tirilej about the feature guarantee games. RTG is streaky. Build up your bets/balance over time. You find one that hits-9 times out of 10 it will hit again in short order. At least this has been my experience.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well Count Spectacular wasn't very, erm, spectacular.

€1000 won't last long at this rate!

 

[Balthazar]

Well Count Spectacular wasn't very, erm, spectacular.

€1000 won't last long at this rate!

I agree with the others, avoid the feature guarantee slots. Mystic dragon, Paydirt and T-rex are also my favorite games.

 

[Dipity]

Loose Caboose, Rain Dance, Mystic Dragon, T Rex, Achilles and Crystal Waters are my favourites by far.

The feature guarantee slots force you into paying a side bet for the feature and I don't really like it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Can someone clear something up with regards to RTG for me please?

Looking at the pay table for all the games, they all contain the same rule, that the maximum win per 'paid spin' is 50,000 x bet per line.

I'm currently playing Mystic Dragon, which on the five scatters free spins trigger awards 100 (!) free spins.

I'm playing at €1 per spin, which on a 25-line slot is 0.04c per line.

50,000 x 0.04 = 2000.

So if I'm reading the rules correctly, the most I can win from a single €1 spin is €2000, or 2000x stake in other words.

I can well imagine the 100 free spins (which would count as a single 'paid spin') on Mystic Dragon paying over 2000x stake, so what happens if you get the 100 free spins and it pays 4000x stake, what happens to the €2000 that's over the maximum pay cap?

 

[Dipity]

If you're in free spins and you hit the payout cap, the free spins stop and thats your lot for that round. Sucks at RTG.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If you're in free spins and you hit the payout cap, the free spins stop and thats your lot for that round. Sucks at RTG.

Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.

Or do RTG work around that somehow?

 

[aceking123]

Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.

Or do RTG work around that somehow?

some very sound advice stay clear from RTG all together ) everything is pretty much capped on wins & you wont get to the bottom of where all those capped wins monees go either , one thing is for sure it doesnt go back in the machine ) also i doubt very much you will get anywhere near 75% RTP on your thousand euros . i would like to see it but doubt it very much.

 

[Tirilej]

They say that it's included in the RTP.
Meaning that if they would pay out all of those very huge winnings, we would get less winnings in normal play.

I don't know. It doesn't seem fair when I finally win a lot, to not get all of it, but so far I have been very satisfied to get those max cashout winnings that I have won.

 

[chayton]

I guess that's why some people prefer higher stakes per line with less lines, then the 'capped' win is larger since it's xline bet and not xtotal bet.

Fruit Frenzy is a good game to play like that, if you bet 5 lines @ $.25 a line and hit the feature, the feature pays out on all 25 lines. Or bet 1 line @ $1.25 or whatever. It's just trying to hit the feature on one of the lines that you bet is the trick!

The rest of the games if you hit the feature, it only pays out on the lines you have selected during free spins. FYI there's another game called Fruit something - I can't remember what it's called but it's got a fruits playing football theme - anyhow that one you HAVE to be playing all the lines to get the feature.

 

[KasinoKing]

Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.

Good job you didn't hit 5 wilds while playing Count Spectacular then!
On that slot, hitting 5 wilds while playing 25 lines only pays 1/5 of what you might expect from the pay-table.

With their crazy rule, it's never worth playing more than 5-lines on that slot if you are planning to hit 5 wilds!

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So are RTG slots bent then?

Sorry if that's an overly blunt question, but if their slots have wins on the paytable that can never actually be paid, what happens to all those 'surplus wins'?

If they've calculated the RTP based on the 'entire paytable' as it were, but then imposed limits on what they'll actually pay out from that paytable, then it's a bit of a con.

If however it's factored back into the games somehow, then that would be fine.

In simple terms, if a casino is running the 95% T-RTP maths model of Count Spectacular, but the very biggest wins on that slot will never actually be paid as they're capped at 50,000x line bet, then it's not 95% T-RTP, is it?

I'm used to vagueness in the world of online casinos, but there must surely be a definitive answer to this, especially when we have RTG casinos such as Slotocash accredited here at CM?

 

[xstud]

Hey Chopley..

First, I love the videos! Keep up the good work.

I think the thing to remember with RTG casinos is that the vast majority of their customers are American's. I am sure they have players from around the world visit the casino, but they are competing with a large number of software providers globally. Whereas in the United States all we pretty much have is RTG and 3dice. If RTG wants to throw slots with RTP's of 50% we either accept it or give up gambling online.

Personally, I think this is the reason why RTG casinos and their games have become particularly stale. Without the competition from MG/Netent/IGT you really can feel the same games being recycled and the games having a "rigged" feeling at times where you witness the unthinkable happen. I was able to get 100 free spins at 3.00 in the MOE feature on three stooges 2 with a 10x multiplier. However, I was only able to win 350.00. Granted, this is over 100x my initial stake, but 100 free spins and a 10x multiplier should yield a better return.

In the end as you say in many of your videos "The bonus rounds are rubbish" and usually you know right away how shitty the bonus round will be.

 

[chuchu59]

Loose Caboose, Rain Dance, Mystic Dragon, T Rex, Achilles and Crystal Waters are my favourites by far.

The feature guarantee slots force you into paying a side bet for the feature and I don't really like it.

Not all feature guarantee slots require a side bet. Atzec Treasure FG doesnt require a side bet and also the same for Its a Mystery if I recall correctly. Frankly I think the FGs with a side bet are rip-offs as if you hit a feature before you reach the designated number of spins for the FG its automatically reset to 0. Remember you paid a side bet for every spin and IMO the spins should be saved till you reach the designated no. to give you another feature.

 

[Balthazar]

Sorry if that's an overly blunt question, but if their slots have wins on the paytable that can never actually be paid, what happens to all those 'surplus wins'?

One would think that the wins are capped in the RNG too so it gives a 50,000x line bet win and the RTP isn't lost, but who knows.

I've a related question for the RTG folks: Why are those wins even on the paytable if ALL the RTG casinos are capped? They have no reason to be there. Lazy programming?

 

[Balthazar]

Fruit Frenzy is a good game to play like that, if you bet 5 lines @ $.25 a line and hit the feature, the feature pays out on all 25 lines. Or bet 1 line @ $1.25 or whatever. It's just trying to hit the feature on one of the lines that you bet is the trick!

If you bet only one line, you're 25 times less likely to hit the feature, though. Sometimes you can go a very long time without hitting it at 25 lines, so I'd not like to think about the odds to get it with a single line!

 

[binary128]

They say that it's included in the RTP.
Meaning that if they would pay out all of those very huge winnings, we would get less winnings in normal play.

Do you have a link or reference to "They say that it's included in the RTP"?

Chris

 

[Tirilej]

This discussion has been up before. I'll see if I can find the thread tomorrow.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'd be interested to see that myself Tirilej.

Surely it would be possible for RTG to simply design their slots in such a fashion that a win of 50,000x line bet simply isn't on the paytable, rather than allow wins of over that (substantially over that in some cases) to be on the paytable, but simply 'cap' them and say 'yeah we're not going to pay that out'.

I'm wondering how that could be correctly factored into the RTP, especially considering the three different maths models that RTG offer their slots with?

 

[KasinoKing]

Surely it would be possible for RTG to simply design their slots in such a fashion that a win of 50,000x line bet simply isn't on the paytable, rather than allow wins of over that (substantially over that in some cases) to be on the paytable, but simply 'cap' them and say 'yeah we're not going to pay that out'.

I'm pretty sure that it's only on Count Spectacular where it is possible to have a single spin in "normal spins" which exceeds the cap.
(WHY it was designed like that is a total mystery to me! )

On all the other slots, the cap can only be reached during free-spins - in most cases needing multiple good wins to reach the cap level.

KK

 

[Balthazar]

I'm pretty sure that it's only on Count Spectacular where it is possible to have a single spin in "normal spins" which exceeds the cap.
(WHY it was designed like that is a total mystery to me!

Only logical reason is the game designers didn't have a cap in mind when they designed the slots and the paytable (and since the slots were NOT designed for a cap, Chopley's question about the RTP is totally legit and needs to be answered).