Are Liberty Slots worse crooks than we think?

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I don´t know if someone has set this up as a prank, but I don´t think so!

I have found a specific bond between Liberty Slots and Curgam Malta Ltd (Mighty Slots etc).

I googled Liberty Slots phone numbers and found the exact same numbers on this page: millionaireclubcasino.com

Liberty Slots:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Liberty Slots.

Toll-Free:

1-800-571-4049

Regular line:

1-678-349-0094


Millionaire Club Casino:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Millionaire Club Casino.

Toll-Free:

1-800-501-4049

Regular line:

1-608-309-0094


That page at millionaireclubcasino is setup for a VT-casino but is not in use, and a simple ip-check gave me 10 pages at same IP.

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I think the page xxhttp://millionaireclubcasino.com/support.php is up by mistake because you can´t find it if you use www.

The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
 
I don´t know if someone has set this up as a prank, but I don´t think so!

I have found a specific bond between Liberty Slots and Curgam Malta Ltd (Mighty Slots etc).

I googled Liberty Slots phone numbers and found the exact same numbers on this page: millionaireclubcasino.com

Liberty Slots:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Liberty Slots.

Toll-Free:

1-800-571-4049

Regular line:

1-678-349-0094


Millionaire Club Casino:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Millionaire Club Casino.

Toll-Free:

1-800-501-4049

Regular line:

1-608-309-0094


That page at millionaireclubcasino is setup for a VT-casino but is not in use, and a simple ip-check gave me 10 pages at same IP.

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I think the page xxhttp://millionaireclubcasino.com/support.php is up by mistake because you can´t find it if you use www.

The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.

Damm!!!! They have some really cool games. I was sooo hoping they werent a scam casino:(
 
The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
Which VT casinos switched to Top Game?
(I don't remember that!)

It is also possible that 2 unrelated casinos/groups use shared outsourced support - it has been seen several times in the past.

KK
 
@KK: Crazy Slots became Crazy Slots Club, they use Top Game software today. Same with Golden Casino/goldencasinoclub and Go Casino/gocasinoclub.
 
@KK: Crazy Slots became Crazy Slots Club, they use Top Game software today. Same with Golden Casino/goldencasinoclub and Go Casino/gocasinoclub.

Great detectivework Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)
 
Great detectivework Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)

You are correct hun, Go Casino Club has exactly the same icon as they had when they were Go Casino, I joined them and asked CS if they were the same outfit as when they were Go Casino and the CS said yes.
 
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
 
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.

That was one of the first things I learned about in this gamblingworld, but thanks for the thought...and at least everyone that reads this thread will know it by now:)
 
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
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You have a headache doll, Im drunk as a skunk. Please expand? What group of casinos is this? I want to know what to avoid;)
 
Before someone asks why we don't leave Liberty Slots alone.... They have left themselves wide open to this poking around by players because they will not voluntarily offer up any info as to who they are, where they are licensed, and why they are focusing on USA players in the first place.

Shared support #'s with crap casinos isn't exactly damning, but it's not good...
 
One crafty test is to phone the similar Millionaires club number and ask about a problem you are having depositing at Liberty Slots. They should be unable to help, or may try to get you to deposit at Millionaires club instead. If they proceed to address your LS query, you have a positive connection of it being support shared between both groups.

A true landline number would be an even better test. Toll free numbers are allocated in sequential series to specific carriers, and this can generate such coincidences.
 
Sorry! I messed up in my first post, the number I googled was Liberty Slots and this came up, the same number exactly!
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Oh dear!

That is pretty damning evidence.

It's not just the same outsourced support, it's the same LINE. Outsourced support usually has specific incoming lines for specific clients, so that the agent knows which client a call is for, and can deliver the correct greeting.

The above test WOULD therefore work. The inbound lines are the same, so when the call is answered, the agent does not know whether it is about Liberty Slots or Millionaires club. This is something they have to establish during the greeting stage.

How EXACTLY are you greeted when phoning LS?

Do they start "Liberty Slots, how may I help you" or is it "hello, my name is ------, can I have your account number please". The trick here is that they don't give the game away in the greeting, so establish which client they have to work for from the reference given by the customer. They then know, and make sure they use the correct business name for the rest of the call.

Sometimes outsourced support gets it wrong, and carelessly mentions the name of another business instead. This is often how outsourced CS and "white labels" get busted where they are trying to keep it a secret from players.

Now, who else shares the same number.

This is beyond coincidence, the imagery is the same, as well as the number. Clearly a single template with the revelant casino name and email address dropped in. The most innocent explanation I can think of is that LS have outsourced their support to Millionaires club.
 
Great detective work Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)
No, they were a different group.
For ref...

Casino Coins Group were:
English Harbour
SuperSlots
Silver Dollar
Caribbean Gold
VIP Slots
Slots Galore
Millionaire

Best Casino Partners were:
Crazy Slots
Go Casino
Grand Vegas
Online Vegas
And possibly 2 more (I was never 100% certain!)

For information; When these groups shut up shop, Casino Coins DID pay me the commission I was owed at the time, Best Casino Partners did NOT :mad:

KK
 
Isn't Liberty Slots already in the rogue pit? I thought I saw something on the main site about a non-existent license or something like that...?
 
Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan
 
LIBERTY SLOTS Please make a statement about the on going fear / doubt that shadows you here on the license thing were not asking you to incriminate but put to rest the conjecture that is surrounding the license thing [every one here is wishing you guys are above board ] but this issue is a dead horse hanging

thank you very much rockycatt
 
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Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan


What motive would there be to do this?

From KK's post. Both English Harbour and Millionaire were "Casino Coins" properties. This entire group closed down, and Vegas Technology sold the software off and itself closed down. The new software company then licensed the software to Liberty Slots, itself a completely new group.

Liberty Slots is ALSO guilty of a "site scrape", as it simply copied the entire English Harbour website and tweaked it ( and not all that carefully either) into a Liberty Slots website.

Whoever now owns the defunct Millionaire's club website simply did the same, scraped the Liberty Slots website and made it into a Millionaires' club one, and was equally careless in that they forgot to alter the phone numbers, leading to a Millionaires club website with Liberty Slots phone numbers.

This is bound to cause probing questions to be asked, and all the other oddities surrounding Liberty Slots, including their lack of a recognised gaming license, just makes matters worse.

With Millionaires' club having closed down along with the rest of the casino coins group, how come there has been NEW work on this website that has caused the CURRENT Liberty Slots phone number to end up there after a site scrape. Who the hell spends time and money on a dead website with no likely payoff?

We are sure to find out soon enough.
 
The software provider has been contacted regarding Millionaire Club Casino's website.

VWM, Millionaire Club Casino from my knowledge is a new website/brand. The old CasinoCoins casino was called Millionaire Casino.

In regards to the gaming license, this has already been discussed in length. We are operating above board and are treating both our affiliates and players well. It has been explained why we have chosen not to publicly post our licensing information.
 
The software provider has been contacted regarding Millionaire Club Casino's website.

VWM, Millionaire Club Casino from my knowledge is a new website/brand. The old CasinoCoins casino was called Millionaire Casino.

In regards to the gaming license, this has already been discussed in length. We are operating above board and are treating both our affiliates and players well. It has been explained why we have chosen not to publicly post our licensing information.

No LEGITIMATE licensing jurisdiction would ALLOW this, therefore whatever you have in terms of a license is not to be trusted. One common factor of ANY license is that it proves to CUSTIMERS that you have been passed as fit to operate according to whatever jurisdiction issues the license.

If it is a secret license, it is a COMPANY license, not a GAMING license, and probably one granted by a jurisdiction such as Belize, where companies are able to register and keep much of their company information hidden.

Belize DO issue such "company" licenses for companies to base themselves there and operate overseas. As this is a license to operate a company, rather than a license intended to regulate the way customers are dealt with, this CAN be kept secret, and be no problem for the issuing authority.

We can certainly say where LS is NOT licensed, and that is with ANY jurisdiction that requires this information to be publicly available, either from the operator, or on their own websites. With these jurisdictions ruled out as possible licensing jurisdictions for LS, we seem to have nothing left other than jurisdictions like Belize, Panama, and Costa Rica, which don't issue gaming licenses anyway.

The most likely conclusion is that LS is operating without one.

If Millionaire Club is a new operation, and unconnected to LS, it seems odd that they would nick YOUR content, rather than the content of a casino that at least uses the same software as itself.

If I had to design a site for, say, a Playtech casino, but decided to take a short cut and nick someone else's hard work, I would go for another Playtech site, less work involved in modifying the content. I would NOT nick, say, a Microgaming site, and then be faced with almost as much work changing it to a Playtech one as I would have faced starting from scratch.

This could even get more interesting if this new operator takes exception to this accusation.
 
winward

Which VT casinos switched to Top Game?
(I don't remember that!)

It is also possible that 2 unrelated casinos/groups use shared outsourced support - it has been seen several times in the past.

KK

I believe they were bought out by Winward group.
 
There are quite a few affiliate sites stating that Liberty Slots is licensed by the Netherlands Antilles:confused:


The level of agreement between them is pretty close, and they have the history behind the software spot on.

Somebody must be feeding affiliates this information, yet according to the rep it is completely wrong, therefore a bunch of affiliates are misleading players into believing Liberty Slots holds a license from Netherlands Antilles.

Do we have a sack of rogue affiliates, or a can of worms?

This MUST be wrong, since Netherlands Antilles REQUIRE that operators show the seal and link back to the license validation on the licensing site.

Liberty Slots needs to get these affiliates to remove this bogus licensing information from their reviews, and show no information about licensing, as this has not been disclosed by Liberty Slots.
 
Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan

In that case, I have found the location of your offices, if not your servers.

Lilburn, GA.

Looks to be on a main street, just where one would find a callcentre.

Can get even more for $5.
 
Which were those 2 you aren't certain about?
Nine.com
and
Golden Casino

For some reason I have Golden marked as "BCP?" and Nine as just "???" on my master spreadsheet.
These were casinos I came across some years ago and so added them to my sheet.
I can't remember how or where I found them now. :oops:

KK
 

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