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    Quote Originally Posted by gid88 View Post
    this is a very small extract from one of the emails I received:

    "I know of the actions management has taken to prevent your account from winning. They have deliberately lowered payout percentages against your account.".
    If this can be done at Rival, I have no doubt this can be done at
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    or others as well. That could explain why after I won over $45k in random jackpots at Cherry Red, I have not been able to get ahead on 102 deposits since. It makes me suspicious that they "have my number" and have lowered my global
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    across the board at all RTGs. I will never know. That's ok. Someday someone will blow all of this out of the water. I'm not risking hardly any money anymore.

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    I think max and Bryan would like you to send them that info privately.

    They will also want you to send them the originals that you got so they can trace it form there.

    I really do suggest you supply all the original content as well as being open to what Bryan and Max ask..

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    seems odd and difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by gid88 View Post
    this is a very small extract from one of the emails I received:

    "I know of the actions management has taken to prevent your account from winning. They have deliberately lowered payout percentages against your account.".
    Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as
    RTG
    , I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

    I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust
    rtg
    , rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one
    rtg
    casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

    Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."

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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    I think max and Bryan would like you to send them that info privately.

    They will also want you to send them the originals that you got so they can trace it form there.

    I really do suggest you supply all the original content as well as being open to what Bryan and Max ask..
    The person who emailed me specifically asked for discretion. I'm sure the Rival guys know or will come to know who the person is as they indicated that proceedings have begun against a particular casino....no doubt Rival will find out the identity of this person in any court claim submitted.

    I haven't been asked of anything from Mark or Bryan unless I have missed a posting or message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlotsLover View Post
    Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as
    RTG
    , I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

    I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust
    rtg
    , rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one
    rtg
    casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

    Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."
    I think depending on whether you're a VIP or high Roller, you "may" experience a different level of service. At one Rival casino where I was depositing and playing high amounts, I had a VIP manager and would get instant emails congratulating me if I won in excess of $5K within a period of say half an hour. As for what a former employee said to me, I agree may or may not be true regarding manipulation of odds. As for monitoring, I believe this absolutely happens - it would be silly for a casino land based or online, not to be doing this. They are in the business of making money. The extent of their response and intrusion to your gaming habits is different and varies between casinos (both online and land based). That being said and not to get off topic............TIV still owe me over 80K !!

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    monitoring

    Yes, I agree they monitor some of the players for sure. I've been called in the middle of a play and also have had my limits changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlotsLover View Post

    but I trust
    rtg
    , rival, and microgaming completely.

    I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one
    rtg
    casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

    Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."

    I must admit that it's refreshing to see a new member here so optimistic and trusting. Within your short membership here so far and only 18 posts, you managed to share with us already your great experiences with 6 or 7 different casinos. Hope this never ends for you along with never becoming one of the millions of victims that would argue otherwise, (similar to the
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlotsLover View Post
    Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as
    RTG
    , I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

    I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust
    rtg
    , rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one
    rtg
    casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.
    This is written by someone who is clearly ignorant of history of Rival, and I'm specifically thinking about the Tradition vs JHV/SamD case.

    We already know for a fact that Rival operators can change game settings on the fly. This was proved and admitted in the Tradition case. We also know for a fact that
    RTP
    -settings for slots are adjustable. This would not be detected by the player, because the pay table would remain the same.

    It's worth noting that KK decided to thank SlotsLover for this post. I'm sure SlotsLover has the best intentions, and is simply uninformed. KK, on the other hand, is informed. Why does KK thank a poster who he knows is uninformed? (That's a rhetorical question.)

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    Hi all,

    I'm just getting started on this one...

    I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the
    OP
    will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included.

    The
    OP
    PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us
    “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

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    Least they know about this.

    Monday, September 6, 2010 11:14 PM
    Thank you for the notice and the manager is waiting for a pitch a bitch
    to be submitted.

    Sincerely,

    Alicia

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