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    Thank jetset, I can't wait to see this one! I'm sure it'll tick off many of the less reputable casinos as well.

    (Message edited by jpm on July 07, 2003)

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    It's amazing that people believe those lies - you just have to hear them enough times.

    TVS was the first group to use the credit card fraud excuse for not paying Danish players (they still owe me $180 ) The real excuse was and still is: bonus hunting...

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    Exactly Valles. How is it that higher wagerrequirement prevents creditcard fraud? The wagerrequirements have exploded ower the last couple of years. Is that because the industry is suffering from creditcard fraud? :yes:

    Denmark never was shitlisted by any cc-processor for fraud. The casinos that claim otherwise are usually rogue. Dumbasses like
    RTG
    accused us of fraud - the smarter casinos made special terms with higher wagerrequirement for Danish players. But then again - the smarter casinos didn't steal any money from the Danish players.

    Most
    RTG
    used Compecash for cc-transactions back when all the fraudbullshit started - so we must assume that Compecash was SUFFERING from stolen cc-deposits and chargebacks? Nope - Compecash is just a brand used by
    RTG
    casinos - Compecash is in reality Firepay/Surefire/Firecash - and Surefire never had problems with Danish players.

    It was The Vegas Strip that started all this shit with creditcard fraud and Danish players - and it was a convenient excuse for nonpayment adopted by other rogues - like the Main Street Vegas Group (Twin Aces and sisters). Vegas Strip had their reasons. A former TVS employee recently told me a lot of interesting stuff. When they banned the Danes back in 2002 they lost 40% of their customers - but it saved them $430,000. Some of it must have been refunded as deposits - but still - they stole several 100K from us. My source also told me how much the owner made per month - and that he needed more money because he divorced to marry a prostitute Well - depending on the arrangement that marriage might have reduced his expences :
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    And the latest information to hand on TVS is that it has been taken over by.....Warren Cloud! Now, there's a name to conjure with and it will be fascinating to see how they honour their promise that all owed players with a legit claim will be paid:

    Hi there Brian

    We have just taken over 4 of the Vegas Strip Casinos and we will be making payments to all players with legitamate claims at the 4 casinos mentioned

    www.cleopatras-casino.com

    www.clubregalcasino.com

    www.americas-onlinecasino.com

    www.clubmardigrascasino.com

    We will be issuing a press release to this effect in the mean time all players can direct there withdrawal claims to Oliver Curran his email address is oliver@crystalpalacecasino.com part of the settlement reached was all legitamate claims are paid in full.

    The sites will all be relaunching within 10 days.

    They will fall under the Crystal Palace Stable which now includes www.highrollerslounge.com and www.vegasrichescasino.com

    Should you have any queries or concerns please feel free to email me personally at admin@crystalpalacecasino.com

    Regards

    Donald Fortune

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    Oh great, Oliver Curran taking over the reigns...the guy whos responsible for more stolen money then the entire Gotti crime syndicate. Not to mention posting players names publically in forums after stealing there money. Nothing like hiring lowlife scumbag to clean up a problem and give your crappy ass scummy casinos an even worse name. The chances of anyone getting there money back is 0 as I'm sure old Oliver will make up excuses why each individual case is invalid and not worthy of a refund.

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    Does this mean I'll finally be able to get the $50 that americas-online has owed me for about 2 years now?? HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!

    :rofl:

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    I dont post much but read lots, was the original author of that email thinking that all ripped off players would suddenly gain comfort in knowing the head of the crystal palace scandal is suddenly in charge of thier future refund? I guess we all know what the best practice is, stick to a couple of places you trust and you wont get screwed. When i went on bonus hunting, playing in probably 20 casinos over a couple of months i ran into a $3000 bad check made good months later, a processor that took my money right out of my money market but never paid the casino(s), and a "Bonus hunter" label on a pathetic $200 withdrawal i finally got, since i have stuck to the same 2 companies I've played with forever.....no issues!

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    pokeraddict,

    Some pretty sound advise.


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    Well, back on topic. I'm going through my emails and here is Jupiter Casino's definition of bonus abuse:

    For someone to be considered a Bonus Abuser ALL the following must exist:
    *A player registering and making the ABSOLUTE minimum purchase required to qualify for a sign-up promotion
    *Then clinically using any/every loophole in the playthrough rules to ensure they meet the minimum requirements on the playthrough rules and then cash-out their original purchase as well as part of the Bonus.
    *Then never play at the Casino again, until another bonus is offered.
    *They then tend to move on to the next Casino.
    VERY VERY IMPORTANTLY, we then classify Bonus into two categories:

    Acceptable
    These are the Bonus abusers (as defined above) that we liken to people going to a Store only when there is a sale on - We offer these bonuses, they come into take it - admittedly we don't find this ideal, but it is totally legal and there is nothing wrong with it. These customers we treat as well as any V.I.P. at the casino.

    Unacceptable
    These are the bad guys and these are the players that are out to deliberatly hurt/steal/defraud the Casino. These players will:
    *attempt multiple registrations at the Casino to try and "crook"/ "force a win - either by themselves or in a group.
    *These are the players that we find it unacceptable to deal with and our policy is simple: We lock the players account, but ensure the player is no worse off having visited our casino - we immediatelyy refund the player his original purchase amount (provided that we can refund the client's credit card purchase, if we can't refund - we then go through various procedures to ensure that once paid out that money, the client then doesn't go on and charge-back anyway)(remember that we have already ascertained that these people are undesirable to deal with).

    In general it all works well. However, from time to time, like most online casinos, we find it dificult to tell the difference between a acceptable abuser and an unacceptable one. In these instances, instead of incorrectly being "hard" on an acceptable bonus abuser or letting through an unacceptable bonus abuser - our fraud and risk management department perform extensive, labourious and time consuming investigations in trying to acsertain the right catergory - this sometime gets frustrating for a player - but is absolutely in the best interests of everyone - and FORUNTATELY - we almost without exception - GET IT RIGHT.

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    Wow, it looks like I will be under the acceptable bonus abusers. HAHA.

    When I started to play at online casino few months ago, I deposit, got the bonus and played (even win up to $2400 from $100 deposit) and plyed until nothing left.>,stupld gambling mind, I called<,

    Then, I move on next stage after lose almost $2000 (get $1000 back from EH a slot "777" hit, lucky me...). I REFUSE bonus and just play. If I win, I withdraw and leave. If I lose more than50% of my original deposit , I leave, too. I can cash-in anytime because I didn't take bonus so I don't have to meet the wager requirement.

    But Now I choose. Sometimes, I deposit, take bonus and meet the challenge if I THINK this casino is honest and payout is high. Sometime, I just deposit and play without bonus. At most time, I refuse the bonus if I am NEW to the casino or I am not sure about it, But I usually refuse the sign up bonus at new casino. Just play by my own rules. (Except Vegasheat. I took the sign up bonus. But I will be regular customer even without bonus.)

    Does it make me a bonus hunter? It's really just like go gorcery shopping. I usually ONLY buy things on sale unless I need it. Sometimes, I even wait for things on sale. I have the same mind to casino, too. I think some casino might think I am a bonus hunter. I didn't get lable yet and hope won't be in the future.

    Where do you draw the line?

    (Message edited by bewitch on July 25, 2003)

    (Message edited by bewitch on July 25, 2003)

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