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    the
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    burned his chances with us because of his repeated Forum Rules violations regarding multiple accounts AND because he was previously found to be a fraudster
    He defrauded a previous casino? Why was he not banned at the time?

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    Sounds like fraud and theft to me. Not talking about the
    OP
    , I'm talking about the casino. Why would you take in money via Moneybookers and then (sounds like they didn't actually even try) attempt to pay winnings to a bank account? Why not just pay it back to the Moneybookers account?

    Very fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpalmer83 View Post
    I am not assuming anything, I have based what I have said here on the
    OP
    's original first post. ... It just does not stack up.
    Again with "
    OP
    said" stuff. THE
    OP
    IS A FRAUDSTER!!!
    WTF
    cares what he says why would anyone believe it anyway? Besides which -- as previously mentioned -- there's more to this than you can or will know. There were multiple depositing accounts involved, etc etc. If you want to have access to such details so you can speak from an informed position as opposed to guesses and fraudster info that you've been using so far then either send your resume to Bryan and suggest he fire me and hire you OR start your own complaints service and fill your boots. The point is that there is lots of
    PAB
    info that has not nor will it ever be shared, it's not the function of the
    PAB
    process to gather your opinions, and it's not a committee process. Bryan has the case details, he looked at the case and dropped the axe on the
    OP
    (as would have I), and if you want to question his decisions then I suggest you PM him with same. BS speculations here on the forums regarding a case which you have no real information on is just that, BS. Enough already!

    If the
    OP
    has submitted false identity documents, bogus bank details & tried to use casinomeister in order to get a payout previously through such practice & this was a clear repeated attempt then it is quite damning ....
    So if he was a fraudster in some other way previously then we should entertain his claims to be innocent now? No, he's previously been nailed as a fraudster, he's broken a handful of Casinomeister Posting Rules -- repeatedly -- and been banned from the site for it. End of story. He's dead to us and so should he be. Again, start your own site and make the rules. Otherwise please respect ours.

    Quote Originally Posted by questa View Post
    He defrauded a previous casino? Why was he not banned at the time?
    FFS
    ! Read what has been posted! He was caught and he was banned. He re-registered, slipped under our radar and did his latest dirt here on the forums. This has all already been explained.

    And you know what, this is getting really tiresome. I've explained our position as clearly and as best I can. Obviously some of you would rather not see the point of what's been said here. Obviously some of you disagree. Fair enough, but take it elsewhere (for the reasons previously given).

    Thread closed. If anyone feels inclined to spin this off into a new thread be aware that doing so will be considered a Forum Rules violation -- cross-posting, personal agenda, PITA, etc -- and dealt with accordingly.

    If you have something you think needs to be added here then contact me or Bryan and state your case.
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    I think a number of people are getting some things confused here. When we are talking about "fraud" and that the
    OP
    is a "fraudster", this is what we (especially me) are defining:

    Fraud - fraud is intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual.
    That definition is good enough for me.

    Let's focus on personal gain - he exploited this forum using it as a blackmailing device in order to make casinos kowtow to his needs. Damaging another person? Well, you can be assured that a forum that condones or turns a blind eye to this behavior will have its reputation damaged probably beyond repair. I have a zero tolerance towards fraud. You can split hairs on the term "fraud" and how it is defined until the cows come home. I really don't care - he is a liar and deceived every single member here. You lie to me - game over.

    Steffigraff77 had a minimum of two other banned accounts in this forum. Mudnav and bash_2357. This is confirmed not only by matching IP addresses, but by matching email addresses and our vBulletin software that tracks cookies, (this is covered in our legal section and forum rules).

    Mudnav was being accused of having multi casino accounts here, and I asked him whether or not he was "sharing" his computer with some one else - this was met with silence. I already knew that he was logging in the forum with another account (bash_2357) - another "member" who had issues being accused of being a "fraudster" at one time or another.

    A few of you might remember that a few years ago this bash dude was the unlucky bloke who had his winnings removed from Neteller by the request of Prime Casino. Not that this had anything to do with multi-accounting (it was a non-fulfilled wagering requirement issue), but it set a pattern. That thread is here if you feel it necessary to waste some time. You can check out this guy's posting history and it's pretty much the same redundant stuff; getting stiffed by casinos, getting the runaround with ID docs, blah blah etc.

    When we discovered that Mudnav and bash_2357 were one and the same, these two accounts were closed with the message to "contact me". Bash emailed me asking "why i have been banned from the
    CM
    website?" I told him that he was sharing his computer with another account, and that it was never cleared through us. He was using these accounts to complain about casinos and whatnot, and for us to allow these sort of bogus accounts to go unchecked dilutes the integrity of the site.

    I never heard back from him again - that was December of 2008.

    Fast forward a few months to May 2009 when Steffigraff77 signed up. I thought it was an odd user name for a guy, but different strokes for different folks I guess. His third post was a claim that his account was hacked:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post308649

    Again, a pattern is set. Not that it had anything to do with multi-accounting, but he continued to post over the next few years the same redundant problematic casino issues as his former accounts. He survived undetected until now.

    When this current issue popped up, I didn't think much of it until I reviewed his
    PAB
    (Max had already been dealing with it for a week or two). I noticed the email address that steffi used for the casino - it was the same that he used with his bash_2357 account. I immediately banned his account and shit-canned his
    PAB
    .

    I couldn't care less whether or not this player was done wrong by the casino, or if the casino is in the right - whether or not he has provided faked ID docs, or if he is as legit as the Queen of England. I don't give a toss. What I know for a fact is that he lied to me - and that he violated the forum rules, and he has committed fraud against this forum.

    I noticed that there is the usual "panties in a twist" at BB from the usual misanthropists. For the record, former member Kodi had no less than four accounts in this forum:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/kodi.html
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/ryb-ka.html
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...s/rybka99.html
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...agaziel88.html

    You can waste your time and read the rubbish that is produced from these accounts, and compare notes. Casino operators may want to take note as well. I for one have many better things to do. I'm sure you do too.
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    This has cleared things up.

    Until now, the impression has been that the
    PAB
    went in favour of the casino. The
    OP
    has also been making this claim elsewhere (that Max found in favour of the casino), whereas it now seems that the
    PAB
    was halted due to serious violations of forum rules, and was not decided in favour of either party, meaning the casino wins by default. The
    OP
    is also claiming that it was the discovery of a couple of previous forum accounts that he had "hardly used" that had made all the difference.

    The other problem is that the casino itself looks like a rogue that has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of both Max and
    CM
    .

    This wasn't helped when the rep for "Grand Duke" butted in with this:-


    KYC
    documents failed



    The player failed to supply in due time the notary certified identification documents, the documents he delivered have failed the internal fraud scrutinity. The subject has also been discussed with Max and Bryan. Therefore we have decided to close the account of the player and refund his initial deposit.


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    This made me wonder why Grand Duke (a known rogue pit resident) had this level of detail for an issue involving Casinoseiger, a totally different casino based in a completely different jurisdiction.

    If the two are related, then Casinoseiger is likely to be pulling the same stunts as Grand Duke. The rep never came back to answer the question as to why he was making the "official statement" on the issue of the
    OP
    failing
    KYC
    . It also places a question mark over the integrity of the evidence coming from the casino during the
    PAB
    .

    This will be something to remember should a forum member not previously busted for fraud encounter the need to
    PAB
    against Casinoseiger.


    As for the industry, it seems the notary system they rely on has been compromised in some way, even though this didn't get past casinoseiger. The
    OP
    has named the notary they used, and with this incident has demonstrated that at best notaries can be fooled, and this isn't just an issue for casinos, it's one of grave importance for many other industries where notaries are relied upon to verify documents related to very high value transactions. At worst, he has revealed a "bent" notary that other fraudsters may also be using.

    The current weakness is that casinos tell players to find a notary, which could be anyone legally able to perform the task. Instead, the industry should consider drawing up a list of notaries that they have vetted, and are prepared to trust with regard to player
    KYC
    issues, and get players to select on from this list with the guarantee that the casino industry already has a working relationship with them, and that they know what is wanted by the industry when notarising a players' documents.

    I have also discovered that in the UK, major branches of the post office can notarise documents, a service actually classed as "making a certified true copy" of an original document such as a passport or driving license. This is what most casinos are really after when they say "get it notarised", and the fee at the post office is a mere £7.15, not the £75 or £100+ that others are encountering when going to the legal firms for the service.
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    It was stated by Max that this player had committed fraud against the casino. I don't see any evidence of that. I also don't see any evidence of fake documents or a notary being fooled.

    I trust this site, however I find it very disappointing to see the word fraudster bandied about for opening a second forum account. This is to my mind belittling to serious issues of fraud and effectively trivialising what is a crime.

    It may be against forum rules and should be but call this fraud and you run the risk of turning this site into a laughing stock.

    I've asked this question before and it wasn't answered and as a potential customer of casino seiger I would like it to be; what has the notary said?

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    Quote from Max:

    Again with "
    OP
    said" stuff. THE
    OP
    IS A FRAUDSTER!!!
    WTF
    cares what he says why would anyone believe it anyway? Besides which -- as previously mentioned -- there's more to this than you can or will know
    . There were multiple depositing accounts involved, etc etc. If you want to have access to such details so you can speak from an informed position as opposed to guesses and fraudster info that you've been using so far then either send your resume to Bryan and suggest he fire me and hire you OR start your own complaints service and fill your boots. The point is that there is lots of
    PAB
    info that has not nor will it ever be shared, it's not the function of the
    PAB
    process to gather your opinions, and it's not a committee process.

    Bryan has the case details, he looked at the case and dropped the axe on the
    OP
    (as would have I), and if you want to question his decisions then I suggest you PM him with same. BS speculations here on the forums regarding a case which you have no real information on is just that, BS. Enough already
    @topoor and VWM

    Which parts of this paragraph...in particular the bolded parts...are you having trouble reading and comprehending?

    NEITHER of you KNOW ALL THE FACTS. You're both happy to accept everything the
    OP
    says as gospel, but you don't seem to trust a word Max or Bryan says. Do you think they came down in the last shower???

    FFS
    people. If you aren't prepared to take the word of Max and Bryan who have SEEN ALL THE EVIDENCE, then
    WTF
    are you DOING HERE at
    CM
    ???

    Total BS assumptions like in the last few posts just give the usual fraudster-defenders more fuel to sprout their "all casinos are evil" nonsense. (I say "fraudster-defenders" because it is almost always the same members who cry foul when a fraudster gets caught out....makes you wonder why doesn't it?).

    I now see the reason why Max closed the thread initially.

    VWM - you should know better. When are you going to accept that you DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING?

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    All of it Nifty. Has the notary been contacted?

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    The problem is, none of this answers the question of whether the casino is trustworthy - did they rob a player because they didn't want to pay, or did they have genuine reasons. It's a shame the
    PAB
    wasn't followed through fully, as now we cannot really know the answer. Anyone googling them will come here and avoid the casino, so in the end everyone is a loser here - the player, the casino, the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topoor View Post
    All of it Nifty. Has the notary been contacted?
    Since your comprehension skills are, by your own admission, poor....here is a clue:

    I couldn't care less whether or not this player was done wrong by the casino, or if the casino is in the right - whether or not he has provided faked ID docs, or if he is as legit as the Queen of England. I don't give a toss. What I know for a fact is that he lied to me - and that he violated the forum rules, and he has committed fraud against this forum.

    A quote from
    CM
    himself.

    The
    OP
    might be totally innocent. Judging by his past, I would say he most like is NOT....but hey I don't have ALL the facts.

    Bottom line...the
    OP
    gave up his right to a
    PAB
    when it was discovered he is a FRAUDSTER. What he does now....well I don't give a rat's arse and I'm sure a lot of others don't either.

    If you want to contact him and take up his cause...go for it Perry Mason. NO evidence gathered during the
    PAB
    process is going to be shared with YOU or anyone else, so get over it.

    Why don't YOU contact the notary Oh, and BTW, if the
    OP
    had multiple accounts etc or other information that didn't match, or matched other accounts, all the notaries in the World won't help him. If you have 5 accounts, and can prove one of them, it doesn't mean you get paid
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