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    pub fruitys are band c which we all know is wieghted 100% , b3 can be weighted to near pefect
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    Update.

    About an hour ago I sent an e-mail to the top officers at Realistic Games laying out some of the evidence and have asked for their response. I don't want to state any conclusions at this time and can't contribute to this thread in any meaningful way yet. I ask that no one here jump to conclusions about any particular party involved. There may be a delay because many of the key people are on holiday.

    Thanks.

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    Update.

    My understanding of "Reel Deal" is that it is advertised a fair game, with
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    = 100%. In this case, Red (R) and Black (B) should be equally likely, as should any sequence of R & B.

    I conducted a "correlation" test on the data provided by Katie91. First, I took the raw log file and sorted it chronologically. Then I considered all sequences of five consecutive games. In each game, either a R or B card was drawn. A fair game would give a roughly equal distribution for each of the 32 sequences BBBBB, BBBBR, BBBRB, ... RRRRR. Altogether, there were 19352 such sequences. It is worth noting, in looking at this data, that Katie91 wagered on Red over 19197 times.

    The following table tabulates the data for chronological sequences of five consecutive games:

    Finsoft/Spielo G2 Games Issue-real_deal_12_31_12_02-jpg

    The p-value for this distribution is 0.000000000000000000000000954. The frequency of a distribution with this skew or more is about 1-in-1048712149670420000000000.

    To put this in perspective, this is about the same as being dealt four consecutive pat Royal Flushes at five-card stud poker.

    I have still not heard back from Realistic Games, Limited. I urge them to reply to this matter as soon as possible to offer an explanation for this and other statistical tests that show similar abnormalities. I sent an e-mail to three officers at Realistic Games. If I don't hear from Realistic Games by January 7, I will assume they will not be responding.

    See www.realisticgames.com

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    Thank you for that Eliot, as ever your input in these matters is both appreciated and enlightening.

    So in summary, the game cheats, what chance now that we're told it's a 'technical error', that Betfred are very sorry, and that it won't happen again?

    Maybe Betfred will give katie a Jaguar to say sorry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot Jacobson View Post

    The p-value for this distribution is 0.000000000000000000000000954. The frequency of a distribution with this skew or more is about 1-in-1048712149670420000000000.

    To put this in perspective, this is about the same as being dealt four consecutive pat Royal Flushes at five-card stud poker.
    Thanks for the update Eliot, I think a lot of people here were awaiting this.

    So it is conclusively rigged. I am not about to pass judgement on who DESIGNED the game this way (that could have been anyone in the parties involved), however this is damming evidence.

    What IS true for sure is that whatever is on www.betfred.com is betfreds responsibility. They are in CLEAR breach of regulations from gibraltar seen here http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/images/s..._standards.pdf.

    Not only that they are obviously in breach of accredited casino standards and have lied about "game fairness" in the past. I cannot be the only one who thinks this is outright damming rogue behaviour.

    There is no excuse for this. I cannot buy anyone saying this is a "mistake" (although it would be unfair to point fingers guessing who ordered the game to be this way). This is too glaring and obvious an error to be a mistake. Even the most simple testing "is the game fair" would have shown this much bias. If the game passed fairness tests like this then we are dealing with incompetants.

    I would suggest nobody is to give this lot their money again and anyone who played the affected games to contact gibraltar directly with links to this thread.

    Is the game fair on the other websites it is on? That is an interesting question
    imo
    and might shed more light on who wanted the game this way on betfred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot Jacobson View Post
    Update.

    My understanding of "Reel Deal" is that it is advertised a fair game, with
    RTP
    = 100%. In this case, Red (R) and Black (B) should be equally likely, as should any sequence of R & B.........

    To put this in perspective, this is about the same as being dealt four consecutive pat Royal Flushes at five-card stud poker.

    I have still not heard back from Realistic Games, Limited. I urge them to reply to this matter as soon as possible to offer an explanation for this and other statistical tests that show similar abnormalities. I sent an e-mail to three officers at Realistic Games. If I don't hear from Realistic Games by January 7, I will assume they will not be responding.

    See www.realisticgames.com
    Perhaps Realistic Games should change their name as it does not appear to be..... realistic!

    I'm interested to know if the
    OP
    did flat betting or used a betting strategy such as progression one? In my experience, funny things happen when I start using a progression betting strategy in blackjack at online casinos.

    By the way, the Realistic Games website is really just a placeholder with their address on it and nothing else. Kinda bit shady when the website provides not further information about them and their games.

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    Here is the information I found on Realistic Games from a search using www.duedil.com

    Company Number: 04392971
    Company Type: Private limited with Share Capital
    SIC Code: 7221, Software Publishing
    Inc. Date: 12 Mar 2002

    Registered Address
    Unit 106 Boston House
    Grove Technology Park
    Wantage
    Oxfordshire
    OX12 9FF
    United Kingdom

    Trading Address
    Boston House
    Grove Technology Park
    Downsview Road
    Wantage, Oxfordshire
    OX12 9FF

    About Realistic Games Limited
    Realistic Games Limited was founded on 12 Mar 2002 and has its registered office in Oxfordshire. The organisation's status is active, and they have 5 associated directors - 2 are current, and 3 are former. There are 3 shareholders of the company. The company has no known group companies. The business has total assets of £138,433 plus total liabilities of £1,074,034. They are due to pay £143,127 to creditors and are owed back £66,983 from trade debtors. As of their last financial statement, they had £8,170 in cash reserves. The company's current book value is £-935,601, and the value of their shareholders' fund is £-935,601.

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    Pretty damning evidence...

    Sure will be interesting to hear what Betfred got to say about this. In my eyes this is outright theft.
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    I wonder if/when they will make a public statement. Is the game still available? I've no account there.

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    The most obvious indicator that the software is weighted and cannot possibly be at 100.00 is the first and last BBBBB and RRRRRR sequences. These 2 show the biggest fluctuation from the random correlation factor in the table.
    I think we've got to be objective here - there could be a simple mistake at the site in the labelling of the game, at 100% or totally random or however they advertised it on their page, and the intent of Realistic themselves, who have obviously provided a
    RTP
    -set game here in the 90's which may be an allowable product but either missold to the site or the wrong version supplied.

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