Raging Bull Casino

gagamel

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We have another active thread about this casino, but it has the bitter BITCH AND MOAN taste.

I want to give the casino another thread and here we go.

The 50 free was another RTG disaster and I tried the 300% bonus. Deposit was 50, 150 Bonus and the WR were 7000. Not good, not bad. Ah, the max. payout was 4500.

I tried it and I was a bit lucky, 1369 to cash out. The bonus is cashable.

I sent my docs in 10 minutes ago. I heard that the verification process is not a PITA. Now I will see.

I will give the rep a PM that there is another thread about the casino. Maybe we can write here if the issue is not about wrong emaisl and such stuff.

I will keep you informed about the cashout process:)
 
I will give the rep a PM that there is another thread about the casino. Maybe we can write here if the issue is not about wrong emaisl and such stuff.

I will keep you informed about the cashout process:)

Ok since its a new thread let me make sure that I state my opinion that max cashout is horrible on 50 % 77% and 100% match bonuses.

Still waiting to see revised terms.

On your cashout I think everyone including yourself knows it will go very smoothly especially since you posted about the "process" in public. The real way to get a true evaluation of the process is to not announce it in public and report back later. But with Raging Bull I don't believe I have really seen anything about delays.
 
I know what you mean. My normal deposit with RTG casinos is 50$. It`s nearly impossible to make a cashout more than 4500$ with the WR you have there (I mean all RTG Casinos)

I also have to say that I never play slots with high JP`s when playing a bonus.

And I don`t play 10$ bets with 200 in my account. I know that a lot of players play that way.

Not my way of palying slots.

May I ask you how often you were able to cash out more than 30x your deposit?

Thank you and cheers:)
 
I know what you mean. My normal deposit with RTG casinos is 50$. It`s nearly impossible to make a cashout more than 4500$ with the WR you have there (I mean all RTG Casinos)

I also have to say that I never play slots with high JP`s when playing a bonus.

And I don`t play 10$ bets with 200 in my account. I know that a lot of players play that way.

Not my way of palying slots.

May I ask you how often you were able to cash out more than 30x your deposit?

Thank you and cheers:)


I've had cashouts of $8,500 off $30 deposit @ Bovada, over 4k off $20 at Cleos...So it can happen but keep playing with max cashouts on bonus and fool yourself its a good deal.
 
I've had cashouts of $8,500 off $30 deposit @ Bovada, over 4k off $20 at Cleos...So it can happen but keep playing with max cashouts on bonus and fool yourself its a good deal.

I could not agree more. I don't care what the max cashout is. NO MAX cashouts on slots. PERIOD. Would be like playing into a RTP of 60%. NO NO NO NO NO.
 
Fee for withdrawals

I went to live chat to see about setting up an account and making a $30 deposit using the 300% match but was told that players from the USA can only withdrawal using wire transfers and there is a $45 fee for the service. I will stick to the casinos that do not have such a high charge to withdrawal. I asked about paying back my debit card but live chat said no.
 
Good Day ladies and Gents.

Thanks gagamel for creating the new thread.

Let start with gagamel's post opening post. Firstly, thanks for making that initial deposit as well as congrats on the nice win (didn't break the bank, but I nice win nevertheless). It's always great to see guys have a good experience. As for the $50 free chip, I am sorry that it didn't go down to well.

Regarding his cashout, him mention it here will not make a difference at all. The default pending period is 24 hours, there after it will be refunded to his Neteller account. Having said this, tomorrow is Friday and Monday is a banking holiday, so my suggestion is that gagamel initiates withdrawal process asap to ensure that it comes out of the pending state tomorrow morning early, so that my guys can prep it for payment.

Max cashouts are here to stay especially on the welcome bonus where we are giving you 3 x your deposit in bonus cash. Yes there is wagering attached to it and yes there are other brands that don't limit the cashouts, but we are not other Brands. We are a new brand and trying hard to build a solid operation. We have implemented a VIP program where your cashout terms are determined by your VIP status, with the top tier having no max cashouts. You guys want loyal and trustworthy casinos and we want loyal and trustworthy players. Is that so hard to understand.

Yes, there are max cashouts on the 77% bonus but we are doing away with that offer soon. We just in the middle of a few other projects which includes a NEW brand.

Wins have nothing to do with the size of the deposit or the bonus. We had players the other day that took her balance fro $1.70 to $14,0000 cashable (and that was after redeeming comp points).

What is the objective of a bonus?

@ cjh1969 - regarding fees. Unfortunately, we only offer a wire option as a withdrawal option. We are currently looking into other options. If you know of or can suggest options which you have come across recently, please feel free to bring them to my attention. I will gladly reward you with a little something for your suggestions.

I am not scared to admit when we are wrong or try to hide mistakes. I am here to set the story straight and correct the wrongs where necessary.

Thanks to all the guys out there have given Raging Bull a try and for their feedback, both negative and positive!

Best Regards
Jason (AKA The Machine) ...lol...
 
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FYI - we recently moved our emails onto the "cloud". I have just received feedback from my IT guys that there are problems currently with mails not filtering through correctly for the past few hours. If you mailed support your docs etc and have not received a confirmation reply yet, this could be the reason for the delay.

Feel free to drop me a PM if you need anything or chat to my support guys via live chat if needed.

Have a great day!

Regards
Jason
 
Hi Folks,

I am back..... it's 17:20 and I will be leaving the office at 18:00 (if I am lucky). The reason for me popping in is that I am as sick a dog and will not be in the office tomorrow. The way I currently feel, I don't think I will be back in the office before Monday next week.

I don't want to make any promises, but I will do my best to try and pop in to assist where possible.

If I don't get to chat to you all before the weekend, have a great weekend and take care!

Best Regards
Jason
 
I know what you mean. My normal deposit with RTG casinos is 50$. It`s nearly impossible to make a cashout more than 4500$ with the WR you have there (I mean all RTG Casinos)

May I ask you how often you were able to cash out more than 30x your deposit?

Thank you and cheers:)

I am not sure what playthrough has to do with you winning a large amount? I guess the only answer could be is you cash out right after WR is made if you have a win? (very smart way to do it if that's the case).

I never concern myself with WR because I play long sessions.

Yes I in the years and years playing I have won 30x my bet TONS of times. Had balances over 10k lots of times. On RTG I deposit from $25 to $75 multiple times in a session. Also I do not bet high often. $2.50 would be average high bet. Balances that get over 10k yes have $5-$12.50 bets in there.

BTW why are you mention $4500? You say you deposit $50, and I have seen lots of bonuses at 25x MAX, that means your Max cashout is $1250 or $1500 on the 30x you mentioned. I get balances well above those amounts on $50 deposits all the time.

I see you are ok with Max cashout because you say " I never win large amounts". I almost think that the casinos with max cashouts brainwash people into that kind of attitude. Could you imagine a sports team that before a game says "we are not going to win because the other team is better."

Max cashouts are here to stay especially on the welcome bonus where we are giving you 3 x your deposit in bonus cash. Yes there is wagering attached to it and yes there are other brands that don't limit the cashouts, but we are not other Brands. We are a new brand and trying hard to build a solid operation. We have implemented a VIP program where your cashout terms are determined by your VIP status, with the top tier having no max cashouts. You guys want loyal and trustworthy casinos and we want loyal and trustworthy players.

Yes, there are max cashouts on the 77% bonus but we are doing away with that offer soon. We just in the middle of a few other projects which includes a NEW brand.

Wins have nothing to do with the size of the deposit or the bonus. We had players the other day that took her balance fro $1.70 to $14,0000 cashable (and that was after redeeming comp points)

..

Max cashouts are here to stay:what: That's not encouraging. Again on a large % bonuses I can possibly understand like the Welcome bonus.

You mention other brands? Your an RTG casino!!! That's the bottom line. You can try to provide better service,payment time and terms to separate yourself. But your terms put you at the bottom of list compared to a few of the others that I will mention in the next sentence. Go look at the successful ones that have been around for a while, Clubworld, Inetbet, Jackpot capital. I honestly don't know any reputable RTG out there that has Max Cashouts. The only ones I can recall that have Max cashout are either ROGUE or OUT OF BUSINESS.

You keep mentioning your casino wanting Loyal and Trustworthy Players, and you have mentioned people who may commit fraud. I think you may have mentioned that's part of the reason you have Max Cashouts. Peoples shouldnt really have to be bothered with fraud problems you may be having. That's the casinos business. And if your having problems then you should look at internal procedures. Going and capping wins is not the solutions.

That's great your removing the max cashout from 77% bonus. how about 50% and 100%? Also you say your in the middle of a project and don't have time to do it now. How long does it take to remove a term? Or are you saying that the cap needs to remain while trying to fund the new brand?

You may be sensitive to me not speaking so positive, but maybe there are some good points.
 
Hi Folks,

I am back..... it's 17:20 and I will be leaving the office at 18:00 (if I am lucky). The reason for me popping in is that I am as sick a dog and will not be in the office tomorrow. The way I currently feel, I don't think I will be back in the office before Monday next week.

I don't want to make any promises, but I will do my best to try and pop in to assist where possible.

If I don't get to chat to you all before the weekend, have a great weekend and take care!

Best Regards
Jason



Get well soon Jason .
 
Hi BMWSTACK,

Yeah, the max cashout is here to stay on the WELCOME OFFER (which is a 300% Match). It's not about removing the term, it's about doing away with the current retention offers and replacing them with NEW ones. We have the outline of the new offers, we just need to roll them out. I personally think the term ROUGE gets used to freely. We are not other brands that cheat players and shave affiliated players etc. So I can't understand why you keep on compairing my brands with these other brands.

That's great that you enjoy and trust Clubworld, Inetbet and Jackpot capital, but these are all brands that have established trustworthy databases over the years.

We trying to grow our player base and if it means not having players of your caliber playing at our casino's then so be it.

All I am asking is that you guys bear with us. We not capping the max cashouts or taking our time changing out the offers because we trying to fund our new brand. We are a small group of hard working guys and gals who are trying their best to build an honest and trustworthy brand.

We have lots of players who are comfortable playing with the current promos. These are players who game for the fun of it and not to gain financial benefits. Guys who are happy to deposit a 100 bucks receive 77 bonus and get lucky enough to cashout 2 grand (which is 20 x their deposit).

Once again, my question is "What is the objective of a bonus?"

Regards
Jason
 
Good Day ladies and Gents.

Thanks gagamel for creating the new thread.

Let start with gagamel's post opening post. Firstly, thanks for making that initial deposit as well as congrats on the nice win (didn't break the bank, but I nice win nevertheless). It's always great to see guys have a good experience. As for the $50 free chip, I am sorry that it didn't go down to well.

Regarding his cashout, him mention it here will not make a difference at all. The default pending period is 24 hours, there after it will be refunded to his Neteller account. Having said this, tomorrow is Friday and Monday is a banking holiday, so my suggestion is that gagamel initiates withdrawal process asap to ensure that it comes out of the pending state tomorrow morning early, so that my guys can prep it for payment.

Max cashouts are here to stay especially on the welcome bonus where we are giving you 3 x your deposit in bonus cash. Yes there is wagering attached to it and yes there are other brands that don't limit the cashouts, but we are not other Brands. We are a new brand and trying hard to build a solid operation. We have implemented a VIP program where your cashout terms are determined by your VIP status, with the top tier having no max cashouts. You guys want loyal and trustworthy casinos and we want loyal and trustworthy players. Is that so hard to understand.

Yes, there are max cashouts on the 77% bonus but we are doing away with that offer soon. We just in the middle of a few other projects which includes a NEW brand.

Wins have nothing to do with the size of the deposit or the bonus. We had players the other day that took her balance fro $1.70 to $14,0000 cashable (and that was after redeeming comp points).

What is the objective of a bonus?

@ cjh1969 - regarding fees. Unfortunately, we only offer a wire option as a withdrawal option. We are currently looking into other options. If you know of or can suggest options which you have come across recently, please feel free to bring them to my attention. I will gladly reward you with a little something for your suggestions.

I am not scared to admit when we are wrong or try to hide mistakes. I am here to set the story straight and correct the wrongs where necessary.

Thanks to all the guys out there have given Raging Bull a try and for their feedback, both negative and positive!

Best Regards
Jason (AKA The Machine) ...lol...

On the rest of Planet Earth tomorrow is Thursday.:)
 
I am not sure what playthrough has to do with you winning a large amount? I guess the only answer could be is you cash out right after WR is made if you have a win? (very smart way to do it if that's the case).

I never concern myself with WR because I play long sessions.

Yes I in the years and years playing I have won 30x my bet TONS of times. Had balances over 10k lots of times. On RTG I deposit from $25 to $75 multiple times in a session. Also I do not bet high often. $2.50 would be average high bet. Balances that get over 10k yes have $5-$12.50 bets in there.

BTW why are you mention $4500? You say you deposit $50, and I have seen lots of bonuses at 25x MAX, that means your Max cashout is $1250 or $1500 on the 30x you mentioned. I get balances well above those amounts on $50 deposits all the time.

I see you are ok with Max cashout because you say " I never win large amounts". I almost think that the casinos with max cashouts brainwash people into that kind of attitude. Could you imagine a sports team that before a game says "we are not going to win because the other team is better."



Max cashouts are here to stay:what: That's not encouraging. Again on a large % bonuses I can possibly understand like the Welcome bonus.

You mention other brands? Your an RTG casino!!! That's the bottom line. You can try to provide better service,payment time and terms to separate yourself. But your terms put you at the bottom of list compared to a few of the others that I will mention in the next sentence. Go look at the successful ones that have been around for a while, Clubworld, Inetbet, Jackpot capital. I honestly don't know any reputable RTG out there that has Max Cashouts. The only ones I can recall that have Max cashout are either ROGUE or OUT OF BUSINESS.

You keep mentioning your casino wanting Loyal and Trustworthy Players, and you have mentioned people who may commit fraud. I think you may have mentioned that's part of the reason you have Max Cashouts. Peoples shouldnt really have to be bothered with fraud problems you may be having. That's the casinos business. And if your having problems then you should look at internal procedures. Going and capping wins is not the solutions.

That's great your removing the max cashout from 77% bonus. how about 50% and 100%? Also you say your in the middle of a project and don't have time to do it now. How long does it take to remove a term? Or are you saying that the cap needs to remain while trying to fund the new brand?

You may be sensitive to me not speaking so positive, but maybe there are some good points.

My highest amout I ever cashed out with slots was about 3000 Euros two times with DOA and no bonus (deposit was 150 which is 20x my deposit)

And yes, if I play with a bonus and the WR are fulfilled I cash out and run away. And my sessions are always only one deposit, I never make a new deposit the same day.

I never play more per spin than my bankroll divided with 250-300 (depends on the slot)

I see your points very well and I accept them all. But I have to say that we are two very different types of players.
 
Yesterday in the evening I made my withdrawal. I don`t know if the mail received before or shortly after.

Hi Sascha

Username:

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I know that I can`t deposit with a pending withdrawal. Asked CS and they told me to stay cool until my withdrawal is processed.

This evening I had another mail from the casino:

Hi Sascha

Username:


We want RAGING BULL to be your new RTG home and here’s why…

We’ve been in the digital entertainment industry for years, we know the territory, and we know how to spoil our players with *excellent service, quality games and great promotions like…

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RAGING BULL <<< You’re just a click away from the time of your life!

See you in the lobby!

Jason

Ok, thank you very much Jason.

My questions are:

Can I take the coupons while my withdrawal is pending?

If I can take them, what happens with my withdrawal?

Why do you sent such promos to players who have a pending withdrawal?

Do you cancel my withdrawal and confiscate my winnings when I take your offers?

Thank you very much for answering my maybe stupid questions
 
Morning Ladies and Gents. Still ill... booked off with bronchitis. My bad, I had my days mixed up so you were correct with it being "Thursday" yesterday! I must admit I felt so ill, it felt as if I were on another planet....lol...

To answer your questions, you can deposit if you have a pending withdrawal. You can also claim a coupon if you have a pending cashin, just as long as you don't reverse your withdrawal with and active coupon still on your account otherwise the reversed withdrawal will be tied into the wagering of that coupon.

Does this answer your questions?

Regards
Jason
 
Well I like ragingbull casino I made a $25 deposit with bonus code wild1 and that gives you $75 and 10 free spins at 1$ a spoon on crystasl waters and I made the Playthough and cashout $491 and !ax cashout was $500 I got to say I'm more then happy with that as there bonuses are very high bonuses and theres s great rep to keep u happy the only problem I have ois with support its like they don't listen to what u say I have screen shots of this but all round in happy
 
purpose of the bonus

Hi BMWSTACK,

Yeah, the max cashout is here to stay on the WELCOME OFFER (which is a 300% Match). It's not about removing the term, it's about doing away with the current retention offers and replacing them with NEW ones. We have the outline of the new offers, we just need to roll them out. I personally think the term ROUGE gets used to freely. We are not other brands that cheat players and shave affiliated players etc. So I can't understand why you keep on compairing my brands with these other brands.

That's great that you enjoy and trust Clubworld, Inetbet and Jackpot capital, but these are all brands that have established trustworthy databases over the years.

We trying to grow our player base and if it means not having players of your caliber playing at our casino's then so be it.

All I am asking is that you guys bear with us. We not capping the max cashouts or taking our time changing out the offers because we trying to fund our new brand. We are a small group of hard working guys and gals who are trying their best to build an honest and trustworthy brand.

We have lots of players who are comfortable playing with the current promos. These are players who game for the fun of it and not to gain financial benefits. Guys who are happy to deposit a 100 bucks receive 77 bonus and get lucky enough to cashout 2 grand (which is 20 x their deposit).

Once again, my question is "What is the objective of a bonus?"

Regards
Jason

The objective of a bonus is to encourage players to deposit so that the casino makes more profit in the long run, either through the gain they make on the playing of the bonus or by enticing players to deposit who then deposit more often (with or without bonuses). My objection to the max cashout rule is that many players just don't realize quite how bad this rule affects their long-run odds and RTP. I never object to casinos not offering bonuses, or only to certain players, or to long playthroughs. My objection to the max cashout is simply that they are Draconian in what they do to the RTP. I ask any slots player who keeps records to truncate his largest three wins of the year to 10x or 20x and see how costly that is. Plus, ruins all the fun. How can one possibly play when the random jackpot is pretty much taken out of play, along with 5 wilds or scatters, let alone getting those 5 wilds or scatters inside a feature with a large multiplier?
 
What's that 4500 OP is speaking about? What IS the max cashout on the 300% specifically? I've been wanting to play RTG for a long and 300% is hard to come by - Like OP, I don't really care about max cashout as long as it's not ridiculous. However, 20x your deposit for example, I would consider '' bad ''. RTG slots are extremely volatile and even with a 0.50 bet you can hit over 1K easily.

If the cashout was fixed at 4.5K that'd be fine but if it's something like 20x that's ridiculous. I did read the T&C and it states it's 4500 but that's where it gets weird - The bonus is up to 750. That means that with a deposit of $250 one could have a bankroll of 1K. Max cashout of that would be 4.5x bankroll. Don't you find this odd? To wager such amount of money you'd have to play with big bets which tends to end in either a bust or a positive balance of several thousands - probably exceeding 4.5K.
 
I think it would be fair to wait for Jason.

He is ill but I think he can answer all questions when he feels better.
 
The objective of a bonus is to encourage players to deposit so that the casino makes more profit in the long run, either through the gain they make on the playing of the bonus or by enticing players to deposit who then deposit more often (with or without bonuses). My objection to the max cashout rule is that many players just don't realize quite how bad this rule affects their long-run odds and RTP. I never object to casinos not offering bonuses, or only to certain players, or to long playthroughs. My objection to the max cashout is simply that they are Draconian in what they do to the RTP. I ask any slots player who keeps records to truncate his largest three wins of the year to 10x or 20x and see how costly that is. Plus, ruins all the fun. How can one possibly play when the random jackpot is pretty much taken out of play, along with 5 wilds or scatters, let alone getting those 5 wilds or scatters inside a feature with a large multiplier?

Sorry, but my eyes are bleeding when try to read that. Too much paragraphs with no....
 

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