Fallen out with Slots...

Hey All

So, I have played slots for about 10 years online...

Lately, I have fallen out with them.. months of hard losses.. then having played the new releases... Netent's Crapxx and crapula, Mgs endless new clones, such as pistoleros and that dog and cat rubbish.. and the usuals..

I just don't seem into it anymore.. In fact, I have been mostly playing roulette of late, and have been winning 100s compared to slotting... But it feels kind of dangerous as you can lose it all so fast... So I want to go back to slots as it is safer..

But given the terrible new releases, and the continual losses am finding it kind of hard to find inspiration..

Any advice for slots to play to bring me back to liking them would be appreciated!!!

If you have fallen out with them to the point of needing inspiration to continue playing them, then maybe you would be better
off not playing them at all. And take a break. Perhaps, given time, you will "miss them" enough to want to play them again.

I (or indeed anyone else here) could make the standard suggestions. Like...

reducing your bet sizes to reduce the speed at which you lose money and increase your playtime.
simply hanging in there and wait for your luck to take a turn for the better.
trying games by a provider that you haven't tried before.
going back to some of the "retro" slots, the ones you played when you first started playing 10 years ago.
doing an A-Z challenge...or a challenge of some other kind (like trying to get as high up the slotmeister leaderboard as cheaply as possible?)

But personally, I think taking a break from them might be the best suggestion. If you're not enjoying your entertainment (which
you happen to be paying for), then what's the point? You may as well just set fire to your money in the back garden or take it to the bathroom
and wipe your arse with it after you take a dump. And I know you do not want to do either of those.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck with it. Keep the chin up mate.

McGameBoys advice is spot on as always

Taking a break worked a treat for me (about a year back)

Its hard to start with, especially when your used to a 'daily session' even if its only a tenner!

May not helped but my 'break' helped me get thru the back log of DVD's which I'd built up and never watched as I opted for a punt rather than an early night and a film.

Upon restarting (only 3 week break) I found I actually enjoyed it again, win or lose and stopped finding it more of a chore, luckily my nature has never allowed it to become an addiction but I can defo share your total frustrations.

Having worked in land based casino for 5 years I can defo confirm that Roulette is well named 'The Devil's Game' (all numbers add up to 666 and regular players have referred to it by this name) and it is an evil game.

Avoid Roulette, take a break and return to slotting would be my main advice

Hope this helps!

Casino2014man said:

Hey All

So, I have played slots for about 10 years online...

Lately, I have fallen out with them.. months of hard losses.. then having played the new releases... Netent's Crapxx and crapula, Mgs endless new clones, such as pistoleros and that dog and cat rubbish.. and the usuals..

I just don't seem into it anymore.. In fact, I have been mostly playing roulette of late, and have been winning 100s compared to slotting... But it feels kind of dangerous as you can lose it all so fast... So I want to go back to slots as it is safer..

But given the terrible new releases, and the continual losses am finding it kind of hard to find inspiration..

Any advice for slots to play to bring me back to liking them would be appreciated!!!

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Well I guess you've kind of answered your own question. Most new releases are utter pants nowadays, with Netent I'd say anything post- CFTBL and with Microgaming I think they creatively peaked with Immortal Romance.

I don't know what stakes you play at but the easiest solution would be to lowroll on some of the older and better games. I equate 'fun' to how my balance holds up on some of these, wheras today's releases are a lesson in sadomasichism. Some destroy your balance so fast they ought to be branded criminal.

If some of your regular slots are dead it doesn't hurt to have a look at some of the older games you haven't tried yet. Remember how we all just alternated between slots like fleas on crack (the good old days), these days I sit at one or two regulars and demand that it WILL pay eventually.

I think complacency has set into your playing style after 10 years, maybe it's time to mix it up a bit like others have suggested.

Mind you, if you have other vices like eg video games I'd spend some time on those. Just the other day I got about four new games for a combined £50 or, I mean that would be gone in two hours or less.

Plus the other day I tried DOA after what must have been a two- year hiatus and whadda you know, I hit two wildlines within a very short space of time. So I suggest trying older 'new' slots or giving slots a break for a month or two. I wish you best of luck in whatever choice you make!

I really can empathise totally!

I've made some very bad chasing losses decisions the last two weeks culminating in £500 losses. I've been guilty of not following advice I've given to others.

Answer could be to step back or give up but I simply can't. Most of the time I'm in control but bad slips lately.

No pont in me going to gambling aware as I'm fully aware of mistakes I'm making lol.

I'm tempted to cut back but after squandering hundreds I'm not going to feel a thrill of winning £20 or £30 lol by low rolling.

My answer at the moment is to primarily focus on tournies (not 999 continues) and enjoy the thrill of leaderboard chasing rather than big hits.

I've had some huge wins on bonus play only to lose during WR. I stupidly then up bets and go bust quick. I think I will adopt my older strategy of switching to low variance slots if I hit a big win on high variance early during WR playthrough.

Be it luck or reputation 32 Red is the only casino where I feel I'm getting value lately.

Edit..... The other thing that appeals with tournie play is there is "genuine" strategy involved. Once you join and play your first round, monitoring leaderboards gives you a genuine idea on whether "continues" are worthwhile gamble or not. One tournie I entered last year would have required an abysmal 10% rtp to not double my winnings on a single continue (although such opportunities are admittedly few and far between). Some require an almost "eBay" approach of a sudden rush at the end

Vinylredman and Scrabble are tournie masters I'd be up there competing with them if bankroll allowed

goatwack said:

Mind you, if you have other vices like eg video games I'd spend some time on those. Just the other day I got about four new games for a combined £50 or, I mean that would be gone in two hours or less.

Plus the other day I tried DOA after what must have been a two- year hiatus and whadda you know, I hit two wildlines within a very short space of time. So I suggest trying older 'new' slots or giving slots a break for a month or two. I wish you best of luck in whatever choice you make!

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Have to comment on these two points

I tried DO A for first time shortly before my £500 loss. I literally penny span it (one line). I ended up with about 10 sticky wilds which would have paid hugely had it been a 9p spin lol yes I kicked myself! Most of the wilds were not on the single line I played.

As for videogames. I am looking forward to the new PGA golf game out on Xbox one on 14 July. I never watch or play real golf and am rubbish at the game but I used to play PGA 12 and thoroughly enjoyed the daily tournaments. Also bought Elite Dangerous and Project Cars.

I don't do the fast COD type stuff though.... Too old and the screaming kids irritate me lol

ProbabilityZero said:

Have to comment on these two points

I tried DO A for first time shortly before my £500 loss. I literally penny span it (one line). I ended up with about 10 sticky wilds which would have paid hugely had it been a 9p spin lol yes I kicked myself! Most of the wilds were not on the single line I played.

As for videogames. I am looking forward to the new PGA golf game out on Xbox one on 14 July. I never watch or play real golf and am rubbish at the game but I used to play PGA 12 and thoroughly enjoyed the daily tournaments. Also bought Elite Dangerous and Project Cars.

I don't do the fast COD type stuff though.... Too old and the screaming kids irritate me lol

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Funny thing is I used to mock the first- person shooter demographic and hated the whole genre, bar maybe the original Wolfenstein on PC from like 1950.

Then I purchased an XBone and got well into Titanfall, I love it lol, also recently I acquired Evolve, Pro Evo 15, Tomb Raider and MGS Ground Zeroes all brand new for about £50ish. As this pastime was my first love I often wonder why/ how I can spend so much on gambling for so little reward or entertainment.

You're right about sports simulations on consoles/ PC, they're definitely addictive. Love the Pro series and pretty much all the American sports franchises like NBA 2Kxx, and MLB : The Show is just majestic.

I do like a good golf sim although I never really played PGA much (EA have dumped Tiger now I see!) but I did play Links 2004 on the original XBox. It was one of the greatest games to play with 3 other people, much hilarity abounded with this classic!

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Then I purchased an XBone and got well into Titanfall, I love it lol, also recently I acquired Evolve, Pro Evo 15, Tomb Raider and MGS Ground Zeroes all brand new for about £50ish. As this pastime was my first love I often wonder why/ how I can spend so much on gambling for so little reward or entertainment.

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I started slots primarily because of my love of probability. Unfortunately the greed for the big win took over!

Despite my recent losses I am still slightly up from beginning of last year. Trouble is when you are a grand up over 18 months and then lose £500 in a week you don't feel like you are up!

I will go back to smaller less frequent stakes. I have to give up or be more sensible and I know I'd miss slots terribly so will strive to set and stick to limits.

I'll probably stick with high variance though. Grinding away for hours on end to make or lose a tenner isn't fun. Not really just because of the low variance but more because low variance slots seem to lack interesting features.

Nothing comes close in slotland to watching those wild desires and hoping!

The advice in here pretty much covers it. With anything in life, things can get a bit stale. If you have a break and still feel the same then maybe your time with the slots has simply come to an end. However, I think a bit of a break and then trying some new titles that have received positive feedback but ones you've not had the chance to sample yet might help spice things up.

The key is not to think too deeply on these things. Sometimes you can just wake up feeling a bit unmotivated to play slots. That can be for anything in life. Take a break and come back to it in a month or so. Slots aren't going anywhere.

Thanks for all the advice guys..

Took one last shot at a new slot today called 'so many monsters' - thought it sounded different. Interesting concept but blew through £50 at 50p spins in 10mins with no features or decent wins.

Time to take a break I think! Maybe I will try and get back into my PS4 as suggested above

Does feel like it's much harder lately to make any sort of withdrawal, at 32red for instance, despite countless deposits, I've made 1 small withdrawal since October.

Same old spins every poor session, I don't bother even asking for my RTP anymore as I'm always told it's in the high 80%'s which must be complete nonsense.

PNEFOREVER2 said:

Does feel like it's much harder lately to make any sort of withdrawal, at 32red for instance, despite countless deposits, I've made 1 small withdrawal since October.

Same old spins every poor session, I don't bother even asking for my RTP anymore as I'm always told it's in the high 80%'s which must be complete nonsense.

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What's a withdrawal? I ask because it's been in all seriousness about six months straight since I made one.

You're correct in that it does appear to be dead across the board, ie every slot I play. You'd think that alternating between games - even if they are maybe just the four or five regular ones - would yield some sort of big hit, somewhere down the line.

Mind you, I probably do too many micro- deposits to really stand a chance. Maybe it's better to make fewer, more sizeable ones just to survive. Obvious, I know

The art of having a small balance, building it up and cashing out a large sum seems to be dying.

Not going to stop me trying though, cos I'm a sucker for pain

PNEFOREVER2 said:

Does feel like it's much harder lately to make any sort of withdrawal, at 32red for instance, despite countless deposits, I've made 1 small withdrawal since October.

Same old spins every poor session, I don't bother even asking for my RTP anymore as I'm always told it's in the high 80%'s which must be complete nonsense.

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As much as I deposit at, love, defend, stay loyal etc etc etc to 32 Red something has changed this year FACT!
Tin foil moments and mocking aside I will stand by this as daily play for 6 years+ it 'Sticks out like a sore thumb' that somethings are nothing like they used to be.
I remember 'back in the day' I'd get many a 'stay level session' in that bonus rounds were common place (even if only 20x-30x) and across numerous games and you'd get a session which lasted hours for £20-£30 and many a time I went to bed leaving a healthy balance to continue playing the following day, very rare these days!!

I find that on the 'blue moon' days you do get say a 200x plus hit, the rest of the games are colder than ice to make up for it.

Also noticed how management seem to have almost removed all forms of discretion offered by live support when it comes to a string of bad deposits. Example being couple of years back 4 or 5 poor £20 deposits (with or without a bonus) support would easily credit £10 or £20 and many a time even £32 free chips.

I only ask for a free if its been a 'blink of the eye' deposit a number of times on the trot but have even stopped bothering now as it is always the same reply 'Sorry there is nothing I can add'

That 5 reel Wild Storm has seen me off for good I think, at least until I give it em all back !!!

As I started rare and probably the first time I've had a small 'dig' at my fave casino but it does get to the time when as players you feel 'enough is enough'

Proving anything would be beyond impossible however!

jonmincher said:

As much as I deposit at, love, defend, stay loyal etc etc etc to 32 Red something has changed this year FACT!

I remember 'back in the day' I'd get many a 'stay level session' in that bonus rounds were common place (even if only 20x-30x) and across numerous games and you'd get a session which lasted hours for £20-£30 and many a time I went to bed leaving a healthy balance to continue playing the following day, very rare these days!!

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Yeah I think those days are long gone, games just seem to have been tightened up, for example everybody noticed when TS2 came out there were loads of screenshots of decent wins - nowadays you see very few, same with the Wild Desire thread - how often do you see a new post in that thread?

The thing that annoys me is it seems so blatant, I went out to work this morning leaving an £80 balance, continued playing when I returned, no word of a lie as my play records will show, played IR and I had 1 £7 win, I almost had the big win with 5 Sarahs and 1-2 wilds at least 7 times but of course 1 of the symbols was absent on each occasion.

I know slots are a game of constant 'near misses' but bloody hell when it's the aforementioned 6 or 7 times inside 100-150 spins - along with other near misses almost every other spin, and of course not 1 bonus round - getting 2 scatters every 3 or 4 spins, I'm like wtf?

And it's not like it's 1 session I'm complaining about, it's the past 8 months of the same sh*te.

No doubt in my mind some things have changed.

jonmincher said:

As much as I deposit at, love, defend, stay loyal etc etc etc to 32 Red something has changed this year FACT!
Tin foil moments and mocking aside I will stand by this as daily play for 6 years+ it 'Sticks out like a sore thumb' that somethings are nothing like they used to be.
I remember 'back in the day' I'd get many a 'stay level session' in that bonus rounds were common place (even if only 20x-30x) and across numerous games and you'd get a session which lasted hours for £20-£30 and many a time I went to bed leaving a healthy balance to continue playing the following day, very rare these days!!

I find that on the 'blue moon' days you do get say a 200x plus hit, the rest of the games are colder than ice to make up for it.

Also noticed how management seem to have almost removed all forms of discretion offered by live support when it comes to a string of bad deposits. Example being couple of years back 4 or 5 poor £20 deposits (with or without a bonus) support would easily credit £10 or £20 and many a time even £32 free chips.

I only ask for a free if its been a 'blink of the eye' deposit a number of times on the trot but have even stopped bothering now as it is always the same reply 'Sorry there is nothing I can add'

That 5 reel Wild Storm has seen me off for good I think, at least until I give it em all back !!!

As I started rare and probably the first time I've had a small 'dig' at my fave casino but it does get to the time when as players you feel 'enough is enough'

Proving anything would be beyond impossible however!

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The glint from the tin foil is blinding me as I type this, but you're right in that even a couple of years ago it seemed that a £30 session could be sustained for a few hours, it would have been inconceivable to have gone hundreds of spins without some sort of bonus round.

Point is they came thick and fast, many were terrible but some good enough to keep you afloat or even slightly up for a considerable time. It felt like although pricey, you got a few good hours' entertainment and a fighting chance.

Nowadays it's like pulling teeth, irregardless of casino, software or game played. Sessions that used to peter out back in the day basically lead- ballon from the outset with an entertainment factor of zero thrown in. I generally expect 7/ 10 sessions to be bad on average, but more recently it seems like 9/10.

Don't get me wrong, I love slots and *know* that big hits and wonder sessions can and do occur, sometimes even when down to the last couple of spins. But there is really nothing worse than realizing about twenty spins into a session that you're going to have a terminal downward descent of urine- extraction.

I can only go by my brief foray into slots over the last few years but the last few months have been distinctly different, gameplay wise. I don't need the santimonious sermons on RTP and variance, it is just a human observation. I am a paying customer so I have a right to bitch and whine about it, but I accept the losses as much as winning. I just prefer the latter.

Indeed, I am thousands down for the last 7 months, since December I have played across various platforms WMS, MGS, Netent and the rest, I never once got a bonus round that paid more than x100 stake in 7 months and that is ALOT of bonus rounds
how can that be random, my last bonus rounds on WMS are atrocious, something like x3, x2 ,x5 ,x6 it's as if all the casinos have put me on a sub x100 bonus round server, 2 years I played the Dark Knight countless bonus rounds none ever more than x100 stake
which shows how hard and rare it is to get + x100 in a bonus round on that slot, something has changed for sure, the trend now seems to be an average bonus round of x15 or less in my case, at Betspin I triggered 9 bonus rounds in a few hundred spins on DOA and not one of them paid more than x20, most of them sub x10, how can it be random and never hit above x100 your stake off a bonus round in 7 months regardless of which platform, something has changed for sure in the last few months, accounting for the extra tax on UK players?! who knows.

electronictonic said:

Indeed, I am thousands down for the last 7 months, since December I have played across various platforms WMS, MGS, Netent and the rest, I never once got a bonus round that paid more than x100 stake in 7 months and that is ALOT of bonus rounds
how can that be random, my last bonus rounds on WMS are atrocious, something like x3, x2 ,x5 ,x6 it's as if all the casinos have put me on a sub x100 bonus round server, 2 years I played the Dark Knight countless bonus rounds none ever more than x100 stake
which shows how hard and rare it is to get + x100 in a bonus round on that slot, something has changed for sure, the trend now seems to be an average bonus round of x15 or less in my case, at Betspin I triggered 9 bonus rounds in a few hundred spins on DOA and not one of them paid more than x20, most of them sub x10, how can it be random and never hit above x100 your stake off a bonus round in 7 months regardless of which platform, something has changed for sure in the last few months, accounting for the extra tax on UK players?! who knows.

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I posted something similar to this in the earlier part of the year and it is still along my lines of thinking now. Also I noticed the regular 4 reel Wild Desire posts (from when they actually still happened) were mostly from none UK players

Love to find some kind of proof one day but I'm scared that when I do I'll wake up with a horses head on my pillow!

jonmincher said:

I posted something similar to this in the earlier part of the year and it is still along my lines of thinking now. Also I noticed the regular 4 reel Wild Desire posts (from when they actually still happened) were mostly from none UK players

Love to find some kind of proof one day but I'm scared that when I do I'll wake up with a horses head on my pillow!

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Yep I have noticed the difference over the last few months, how to win a small fortune at slots is to start with a big fortune , I am in a mess financially now, and I am finished with slots and won't be going back,
once I am back on my feet, they just suck and suck and give crap bonus round after bonus round, anybody that thinks about playing them from the UK especially please don't start, and don't look at the screenshots forum thinking that will be you because it won't.

Yup I have had it with all my losses lately. Hiting nothing decent and when I do I lose it in bonus play through WR

I may just play tournies and restrict myself to a tenner a week. It's becoming soul destroying.

Rest of the time I'll go back to Xbox gaming. I don't personally blame casinos but more my own stupidity.

jonmincher said:

As much as I deposit at, love, defend, stay loyal etc etc etc to 32 Red something has changed this year FACT!
Tin foil moments and mocking aside I will stand by this as daily play for 6 years+ it 'Sticks out like a sore thumb' that somethings are nothing like they used to be.
I remember 'back in the day' I'd get many a 'stay level session' in that bonus rounds were common place (even if only 20x-30x) and across numerous games and you'd get a session which lasted hours for £20-£30 and many a time I went to bed leaving a healthy balance to continue playing the following day, very rare these days!!

I find that on the 'blue moon' days you do get say a 200x plus hit, the rest of the games are colder than ice to make up for it.

Also noticed how management seem to have almost removed all forms of discretion offered by live support when it comes to a string of bad deposits. Example being couple of years back 4 or 5 poor £20 deposits (with or without a bonus) support would easily credit £10 or £20 and many a time even £32 free chips.

I only ask for a free if its been a 'blink of the eye' deposit a number of times on the trot but have even stopped bothering now as it is always the same reply 'Sorry there is nothing I can add'

That 5 reel Wild Storm has seen me off for good I think, at least until I give it em all back !!!

As I started rare and probably the first time I've had a small 'dig' at my fave casino but it does get to the time when as players you feel 'enough is enough'

Proving anything would be beyond impossible however!

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Unfortunately, i have to agree mate

I lost more in the first 3 months of 2015 than 2014 in total and never managed to recover anything since. Had 2 or 3 withdrawals this year at 32RED out of 100's of deposits.

No matter if i stick to 1-2 slots and try to ride it out or switch constantly between different slots, the result is always the same. 300+ spins between bonus rounds, which then pay next to nothing, has become very common.

I also have to agree regarding the extra chips. Very hard to get some from support these days. Also i have not had anything from RedLetter days for a long time. Used to get 2 / every month, then it came down to 1 / month with the last one coming in at the end of May. Nothing since.

But i do not see much better things at the Net-ent casinos, where i play predominantly DOA. I have now gone 287 bonus rounds with no wild line and only 3 times with the 5 extra spins which resulted in a 100+ payout. I even tried to do a "rolastan" and let the slot run for 16 hours continuously on "autospin" and had once 5 x extra spins, but no wild line of course

3 x this week alone i had multiple bonus rounds within a short period and every time my balance would be lower than at the start of the first one, due to the low payouts of less than 10 x bet/bonus round.

- Best (worst actually) was 4 x free spins within 43 spins and i ended with a lower balance, so together with the wins in the 43 spins + the 4 bonus rounds the slot did not pay more than 43x bet
- Second was 3 x within 51 spins, again balance lower than at the start
- Yesterday at Bet-At, 5 x within 103 spins, balance yet again lower than at the start

Now no matter the high volatility of this slot, which we all know it has, but to have such poor payouts again and again is just no fun and i feel cheated in some way.

To have repeatedly such atrocious results is also draining my motivation to continue to play slots. I have been used to lose between 0 - 30K / year on my habit in the past 18 years, some i ended with a profit, 2 years even with a big profit but 2015 beats it all. I feel like a dentist trying to extract a molar from a patient's mouth - hard, hard work to even get it moving

I think I'll have to give up slots as well as several other chaps here ... I'm pleased (pleased may not be the correct word) to hear other people suggesting that things have changed over the last few months. Last year I lost a little but often after a run of bad luck I'd experience some good luck and withdraw a few hundred but recently after a run of bad I just make it worse by playing to get to the point where the luck will change but it doesn't. I am convinced that some 'settings have been 'tweaked' ... after losing almost £1k over the last month I was told by 32red that my rtp was 104% ... go figure ... rtp is a mystery ... I was also given £100 bonus ... lasted 10 minutes.

So whilst I am a naive fool I can't afford it any more and will have to stop - or at least have an extended break.

What does interest me though is the number of comments about how things seem to have changed recently ... are there any stats to support this. The 'support' replies to me just say the normal "there is no way we can change the odds" ... well I think that is rubbish ...

Have a good weekend chaps.

Roger

rogertb said:

I think I'll have to give up slots as well as several other chaps here ... I'm pleased (pleased may not be the correct word) to hear other people suggesting that things have changed over the last few months. Last year I lost a little but often after a run of bad luck I'd experience some good luck and withdraw a few hundred but recently after a run of bad I just make it worse by playing to get to the point where the luck will change but it doesn't. I am convinced that some 'settings have been 'tweaked' ... after losing almost £1k over the last month I was told by 32red that my rtp was 104% ... go figure ... rtp is a mystery ... I was also given £100 bonus ... lasted 10 minutes.

So whilst I am a naive fool I can't afford it any more and will have to stop - or at least have an extended break.

What does interest me though is the number of comments about how things seem to have changed recently ... are there any stats to support this. The 'support' replies to me just say the normal "there is no way we can change the odds" ... well I think that is rubbish ...

Have a good weekend chaps.

Roger

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The fact is despite certain people foaming at the mouth at the mere mention that slots could be manipulated or altered, nobody has any credible evidence to suggest otherwise. Casinos are very happy where they're at in regards to transparency, it is far better to leave players guessing. There will be staunch defenders that balk at such claims which is amusing to say the least given their blind loyalty to a multi- million pound business.

My instant first two overwhelming impressions when migrating from video games to online slots were firstly, it is a software programme, of course it can be altered/ amended/ patched. All this nonsense about being hardwired and set in stone made me dubious. Secondly, why am I constantly connected to a server and not allowed to play this 'hardwired' software offline? If I tampered with the results or reverse- engineered the games I'm pretty certain that would be spotted too.

Needless to say though I got drawn in by the allure of online slots and primarily enjoyed the buzz, winning nice amounts here and there. I generally just go with the flow and like a good bitch and moan like the next person. But there will always be tinfoil moments along this journey, it is still too cloak and dagger sometimes to fully convince me. Any other industry would be facing an inquiry into its practices and be brought before a regulatory authority to be held accountable. I fear it might be decades before we fully know every facet of online slots

Reminds me of when aged about six or so, my older brother convinced me that the brown piece of chalk I was obliviously scrawling around with actually tasted of chocolate when bit into.

Imagine my surprise.

Very interesting observations goatwack ... yes I'm convinced there's manipulation going on ... we need a 'whistle blower' - employees probably sign very strict confidentiality clauses so I guess that's not going to happen any time soon.

I've tried to do some further research but there doesn't seem to be much out there ... maybe everyone else is luckier than me (I know - we all say that) and therefore no cause for complaint.

Even the campaign for fairer gambling have no interest in on-line at the moment.

I'll just sit and sulk and hope to keep off the damn things for a while ... and visit the bank manager !

Roger

We're gonna need a few things first....

Balaclavas, Uzi 9mm, Torture equipment and a mini bus etc etc.

We'll start with a visit to Microgaming HQ as these slots show the more obvious 'we've made em shite in 2015'

Once we've 'extracted' the required information, posted the biggest 'Told Ya So' thread ever, then we'll move onto other providers, think maybe WMS next as my arse is still stinging from the constant rogering that f'kin Rhino gives me.

As Harry mentioned regarding being in profit overall in past years, 2015 for me to is the first year since joining that I am at a loss at MG only casinos. I cannot allow this to continue and will not quit as I enjoy it - Watch out MG, I WILL get ya!!

LOL Jon ...very good plan

Just makes it so hard to enjoy when nothing, but really nothing happens over a long period. I have gone since 2nd June when i posted my last Wild Line a total of 104 deposits without a single withdrawal or at least a chance for a withdrawal...no matter if i had a bonus running or just straight deposits