Decision regarding casinos who try to take advantage of withdrawal reversing

Hello ;-)

I have been thinking about that topic for weeks now. In gambling I have only one severe weak point - withdrawals which i can easily reverse. A regular case just happens like this.

I feel like gambling a bit - deposit a certain amount (20, 50 100 € ) play a bit, rise up to a few hundred (sometimes thousands) and request a withdrawal.

so far so good. no problem usually e. g. on rtg casinos since the rtg games are nice, but not as... magic to me as e.g. microgaming...

the next morning i wake up with the first thought: "its all random - why shouldnt i boost a part of the withdrawal amount and request a new - bigger one..."

you can imagine where this undisciplined behavior ends... in the salty desert of bust. ;-)

I have looked up and it has increased to almost half of my requests i completely extinguish...

There was a discussion going on about a very good casino here extending pending times. another casino - located about some hundred miles southeast from there on a beautiful island does the same.

still they have the nuts to promote in FAT letters in their lobby, "when you are using ewallets you recieve the money the same day". I sent a screenshot of that to the sup. they answerred that a withdrawal woulod take up to 5 business days. Of course exactly knowing about my weak point and imo extending time to make stupidity taking over more likely.

after the last bust i decided to stop playing and depositing there. I will only be playing at casinos who offer state of the art withdrawal speeds. thanks to this site i just got aware, there are some. (and they are offering far better conditions in most other cases like e.g. bonus terms and... *freebies*)

unless a casino offers me unwithstandable bonus conditions i am not willing to accept stoneage withdrawal times. where you think an old lady is sitting at the telegraph, morsecoding to the bank using wires...

basta. ;-)

I have been complaining about this for years

How many times have I posted on this site the following statement:

The Reverse withdrawal feature and extended pending periods are by far are their primary weapon. Just imagine how much less profitable they would be if they did not employ this tactic. You have other options. I do not--other than to quit playing online completely which I wish I never started back after the UIGEA.

Trust me, you are in EXCELLENT company with countless others. Let's take the Jackpot Capital Group for example. Unless you play on Saturday, Sun, Mon, and possibly Tuesday, your withdrawal will sit in pending status for 4 or more days. Club World is definitely better but still, due to the time difference in the states, and their work load, along with factoring weekends most withdrawals will be in pending for a couple of days or longer over the course of the weekend when reversal is most tempting.

But I have not had even a decent play session at any Club World Casino in months after COUNTLESS deposits so I don't really get to worry about reversing.

I have just about HAD IT! It sickens me when I think of the money I worked so hard to earn that I have thrown away at countless Rogues--before I knew they were rogue--but also the best we have to choose from on the RTG front.

I have spent countless thousands to keep my teeth attractive and healthy over the years with several crowns and root canals. During a two year period--while I was throwing away thousand and thousands at these casinos 3 of my previously teeth along with 2 additional teeth need to be crowned (and possibly) have root canals. The minimum amount of the "Treatment Plan" my dentist gave me is 9K. It looks like after spending the equivalent of 6 weeks in the dentists chair and an estimated 50K between my parents, insurance companies, and myself--that I'm gong to end up with dentures anyway. If only I had realized just how bad it is here in the US for online gaming and accepted it. If only I had quit or never started back again. But of course, you get tossed a bone just about every time you get ready to throw in the towel--a small bone but one large enough to keep you in the game. It is truly insidious.

PLEASE DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT I SEEK TREATMENT GO TO GA OR ANY OTHER ACTIONS FELLOW FORUM MEMBERS. I am well aware of what I am doing and the help out there available to me. I do not need or want to hear everyone's take on my "gambling problem." I will cease this idiotic self destructive activity if and when I choose.

I'll accept responsibility for my weakness on many occasions but I will not excuse obvious attempts to give players EVERY opportunity by finding every devious way to keep it in pending until Friday. Once that happens reversal and complete loss carries a very high probability for the majority of players.

rogue is the right word...

one of those casinos i am talking about states, that withdrawals are processed within 24 hours. When I asked they said: only on bank working days.

What a pervert lie! they accept deposits 24/7 - but withdrawals sleep and have weekend off...?

And now you will laugh: their imo extremely arrogant rep told that its "self responsibility" to not reverse the withdrawal while their lately extended pending period. ;-)

I think casinos can make practise very good business and still generate immense gains, when behaving in a fair way towards their players. Abusive and mean business never lasts. they will lose a lot in the long run. especially since more and more far better competitors all arounf the globe are showing up.

at betat e.g. i recieve funds almost instantly. there is no terror-reverse-button behind the withdrawal - blinking in all colors *press me* ;-)

if the operator of a casino knows that the majority or at least a serious number of customers has this weak point - he can decide to behave ethically - or dissocial. I will never ever deposit again at a place where the company behaves that obviously unethically.

Last but not least - i would never behave that way towards them. ;-)

thank you very much, pmutt. I was very emberased thinking avbout that weakness because i really felt like a unresponsible dork, after reading the reps message. now i feel a lot better.

Been there done it a 1000 times. But these days this why I only play at casinos that have a pending period of a few hours or less or none at all. Such as

Betspin ... super quick NO pending period

Casumo withdraw a few times the past days 1 withdraw within minutes the other within a few hours

Video slots same quick n easy

as is Redbet/whitebet

to name but a few. I know the above are not options for USA based players and that sucks.

But for those of us in regions where we can gamble pretty much where we like then they are a whole host
of top operators who do not try to profit from the dreaded reverse. In my view it should be banned totally there is NO reason for it all other than hoping a player reverses.

Imagine I go land based take my chips to the cash desk and they say we will hold them a while before exchanging. It just would not happen. Each and every excuse laid on by the casinos who employ this vile practice is bollocks. Such as "In the players interest we allow you the chance to reverse up to xx hours or days" utter rubbish! If I wanna re-deposit I will simply do so. And what they dont really see is the bad taste and feeling it leaves when a player does reverse and loose. Casinos actually need some winners and people who walk with the cash.

They are some "big" casinos and I wont name em but they have this rule and so will never see a penny from me ever. But they care not ... so long as they can reel in the players that will reverse. Vote with thy wallet.

For customers outside the USA there are a large amount of casinos to choose from so if you have problems with reverse withdrawals I advise playing at the several that pay super quick.

: I do not like reverse times either and I have succumbed on occasion but thankfully it is only the odd one for me.

The only reason Casinos do this is because people keep reversing. I can't blame them one bit. You don't want to reverse and lose then don't reverse any withdrawals ever (period).

Have a few different places to play at and after you withdraw from one play elsewhere till it clears. The only way this practice will stop is if they see that players are depositing elsewhere while waiting.

It is GREAT that you have the willpower to do that consistently Bigjohn!

bigjohn said:

The only reason Casinos do this is because people keep reversing. I can't blame them one bit. You don't want to reverse and lose then don't reverse any withdrawals ever (period).

Have a few different places to play at and after you withdraw from one play elsewhere till it clears. The only way this practice will stop is if they see that players are depositing elsewhere while waiting.

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Unfortunately, many of us do not and the casinos know that EVERY HOUR they can keep it in pending reduces their ever having to actually cough up the money.

I applaud your discipline, control, and overall superiority!

pmutts said:

Unfortunately, many of us do not and the casinos know that EVERY HOUR they can keep it in pending reduces their ever having to actually cough up the money.

I applaud your discipline, control, and overall superiority!

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Well, thank you...I guess? And you know that EVERY TIME you reverse a withdrawal you stand a very good chance of losing it, are you going to allow them to be stronger than you?

It is all down to SELF CONTROL and casinos who 'employ this tactic' see that it works and are unlikely to 'change a winning strategy'

I've suggested a few things in the past on this topic which may or may not help...

* Deposit a little at a different casino whilst waiting
* Go out, do something other than online gambling, take kids out (if you have any lol)
* Close account until pending completed (if this is not a 'headache' situation by doing so, Ie 'knock on effect')
* Request 'flushing' (some casinos actually do this but do not advertise the fact!)

In 10 years I've done it once, learnt my lesson and never again (£100 from £10 deposit) I forced myself to think along the lines of 'Giving my winnings away to strangers' had I received them or ' There sitting in that office laughing at me'

Strange lines of thought maybe but did the trick for me.

Bottom line unfortunately is that the onus is and always will be on the player.

Stick with CWG and when you have a payout pending drop a note to Karolina. I guarantee you won't be waiting long for it to be processed.

I've said it before and will again!

As BJ says it WORKS!

Why?

Because the casino knows a player is at their weakest after winning and pressing the w/d button.

They know the player is walking about, smiling and thinking of what they can do with the money. They are in a comfort zone so their guard is lifted. During the period after the withdrawal, the player is remembering the great feeling of the win and the enjoyment of playing and is 'coming down'.

Then the self-excusing starts in the mind:

"Well, I'm 2k up and wouldn't mind another session of enjoyment. Hell, even if I lost 500 of it I'm 1.5k better-off than last night and if you'd have said to me last evening I would go to bed 1.5k richer I'd have bit your hand off! Yeah, let's have a nice 500 bankroll and another go....."

(Repeat above self-excusing logic with ever-decreasing figures.)

Roll on a few hours BUST!!!

my solution

is not depositing elsewhere while waiting. My solution is to completely avoid casinos with reversal buttons. as long as they do not offer extremely outstanding bonus conditions - which is actually only at some rtgs the case where i can hold black numbers allthough i sometimes reverse.

bigjohn said:

The only reason Casinos do this is because people keep reversing. I can't blame them one bit.

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Why not blame them?

Videoslots can afford to process withdrawals near instantly.
That is on top of generous cashback, small but frequent other rewards, no fees on deposits / withdrawals, processing docs for verification even outside of business hours while also being in the top 2 or so for biggest game selection.

Or betat, while they promise 4 hour withdrawal processing I remember my first one being approved in less than that including getting verified and after that I've never seen it take more than 30 minutes.

So what is the other casinos excuse except for greed?

there is only greed

Naok777 said:

Why not blame them?

Videoslots can afford to process withdrawals near instantly.
That is on top of generous cashback, small but frequent other rewards, no fees on deposits / withdrawals, processing docs for verification even outside of business hours while also being in the top 2 or so for biggest game selection.

Or betat, while they promise 4 hour withdrawal processing I remember my first one being approved in less than that including getting verified and after that I've never seen it take more than 30 minutes.

So what is the other casinos excuse except for greed?

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it is the manager sitting at the table in conference room - thinking about a way how to totally squeeze out their clients. how to spot weak points to boost the gains regardless of any fair practices.

thats why i completely stop playing at those places. the attitude lets at least suspect that they will behave unfairly in any way when they see a chance of ripping you off...

Its bull shit, I used to love a reverse to try and build up a bit more

I have learned a lesson from over years of playing, & thats casino holding on to your cash, Just recently I have played them at there own game, NO MORE reverse & If I get a win take out a good few small withdraws instead of 1, Than if you do get the urge you your not having to wait for the whole lot to be pending again or spending it all, Not only does this work out for you but if it cost casino extra money to process each withdraw than let it be it, Make sure its free to withdraw and not a limit on how many withdraws your allowed

spintee said:

I have learned a lesson from over years of playing, & thats casino holding on to your cash, Just recently I have played them at there own game, NO MORE reverse & If I get a win take out a good few small withdraws instead of 1, Than if you do get the urge you your not having to wait for the whole lot to be pending again or spending it all, Not only does this work out for you but if it cost casino extra money to process each withdraw than let it be it, Make sure its free to withdraw and not a limit on how many withdraws your allowed

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I'm no fan of pending periods but intentionally trying to cost your entertainment venue more to operate is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Naok777 said:

Why not blame them?

Videoslots can afford to process withdrawals near instantly.
That is on top of generous cashback, small but frequent other rewards, no fees on deposits / withdrawals, processing docs for verification even outside of business hours while also being in the top 2 or so for biggest game selection.

Or betat, while they promise 4 hour withdrawal processing I remember my first one being approved in less than that including getting verified and after that I've never seen it take more than 30 minutes.

So what is the other casinos excuse except for greed?

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I look at it like this, if there are 3 gas stations near me selling gas for $3.00 a gallon and 1 selling the same gas for $6.00 a gallon and people go to that one and pay the higher price I'm not going to blame the station owner. If he can sell gas for $6.00 a gallon in that market he'd be a fool not to. If nobody wants to pay his higher price he's either going to have to lower his price or go out of business.

Same thing here, if the casinos don't make any money off pending withdrawals (by players reversing) and they start losing business they are going to have to change their methods or go under.

It's just business.

wrong comparison

bigjohn said:

I look at it like this, if there are 3 gas stations near me selling gas for $3.00 a gallon and 1 selling the same gas for $6.00 a gallon and people go to that one and pay the higher price I'm not going to blame the station owner. If he can sell gas for $6.00 a gallon in that market he'd be a fool not to. If nobody wants to pay his higher price he's either going to have to lower his price or go out of business.

Same thing here, if the casinos don't make any money off pending withdrawals (by players reversing) and they start losing business they are going to have to change their methods or go under.

It's just business.

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better: 3 filling stations selling for the same price (average rtp)...

but one filling station boosting profits by mixing sugar into the gas - the client has to hit a button for it: turbo charge supoer additive for clients pleasure - free. that is what the reversal button is - nothing else. kind of a suicide button for the client. the client has to learn from his experience and then - he will of course avoid such ugly places.

what makes me feel so angry about that "feature" is: the casino managers KNOW about the fact they are offering a service that can lead to serious problems to their clients. However instead of doing responsible business some of them not only offer a rpoblematic environment - they even worsening the conditions by "deciding to abolish flushing" and then have the evil arrogance to talk about self responsibility. shame on them! that is like mercedes deciding to only sell cars without abs and airbags anymore. customers needent drive a car - tits their own responsibility if they want to drive ;-)

f... off them! I wrote some reviews during the last days recommending to check this fact and avoid trying out those places as a new player to avoid a ripoff...

bigjohn said:

Same thing here, if the casinos don't make any money off pending withdrawals (by players reversing) and they start losing business they are going to have to change their methods or go under.

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No it's not the same. The casinos do not need to make money with predatory pending withdrawals. They already have the house edge.

But you are right in that if folks stop playing at the worst offenders then they will have to change their methods.

I'm all for voting with your feet but pending periods are like laying a rock in front of a junkie.

horseplayer said:

No it's not the same. The casinos do not need to make money with predatory pending withdrawals. They already have the house edge.

But you are right in that if folks stop playing at the worst offenders then they will have to change their methods.

I'm all for voting with your feet but pending periods are like laying a rock in front of a junkie.

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That's an even worse comparison. If you're 'a junkie' you shouldn't be playing at all. If you haven't restraint, slots aren't for you.
Additionally, f you don't like the period of WD or ability to reverse, play elsewhere. It isn't as though there aren't options.

dionysus said:

That's an even worse comparison. If you're 'a junkie' you shouldn't be playing at all. If you haven't restraint, slots aren't for you.
Additionally, f you don't like the period of WD or ability to reverse, play elsewhere. It isn't as though there aren't options.

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Right, just say no. There's a reason that never worked.

That doesn't alleviate the responsibility of the casinos to not prey on or abuse their customers. Unless you consider them in the same league as drug dealers.

Seeing as you have to go through the effort of registering, reading Ts and Cs, depositing etc - they arent preying on anything. You're willing.
And quick reality - they aren't dealing drugs, they're providing a service. If you don't like the terms attached to the service, shop elsewhere. If you keep insisting on a drug analogy...you shouldn't be playing in the first place if you're an addict.

dionysus said:

Seeing as you have to go through the effort of registering, reading Ts and Cs, depositing etc - they arent preying on anything. You're willing.
And quick reality - they aren't dealing drugs, they're providing a service. If you don't like the terms attached to the service, shop elsewhere. If you keep insisting on a drug analogy...you shouldn't be playing in the first place if you're an addict.

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Sorry but the drug analogy fits a hell of a lot better than a service station overcharging for gas.

You are still arguing the Nancy Reagan 'Just Say No' campaign.

It's a specious argument.

Blaming the casino for one's conscious and informed choices is also meritless.
It's a CHOICE to play at casinos with pending periods and reversals, not an obligation. If you make that choice, it's on you.

dionysus said:

Blaming the casino for one's conscious and informed choices is also meritless.
It's a CHOICE to play at casinos with pending periods and reversals, not an obligation. If you make that choice, it's on you.

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Blaming the drug dealer for one's conscious and informed choices is also meritless.
It's a CHOICE to use drugs, not an obligation. If you make that choice, it's on you.

There is a slippery slope when the provided service caters to an addiction, knowingly or not. We just disagree about the distribution of responsibility.

As far as I am concerned any and all pending periods are Predatory and unnecessary for a casinos profitability. And also detrimental to the public at large.