Impossibly low returns all casinos all software?

JackMack · Apr 24, 2015

I'm on a bizarre roll.
I'm getting between 25% and 50% RTP no matter which casino i play or which software over deposit after deposit after deposit.
Over hundreds of dollars and thousands of spins.
To get those sort of returns you have to trigger bonus rounds every other deposit and for them to pay absolute crap between 0 and 20 times bet every single time and between that you have to hit dead spins almost endlessly and absolutely no wins of 50 times bet or more.
How is this possible on low variance supposed 96% TRTP slots?

What a load of bullshit.
And it is not like I have breaking the bank before that. I went over 100 deposits before making a withdrawal and that was at Inetbet which sionce has robbed me blind.
I've been asking for stats every day for 6 days and still not get them, I know why. Probably below 50% RTP over thousands of spins with absolutely no decent hits in between.
MG has been unreal. I have even resorted to trying new casinos for bonus tog et some game time but my last deposit with bonus yielded 25% RTP!!!

No I'm not doing anything weird. Making small deposits and playing small bets with average lines playing long sessions, short sessions, same games, different games, same software, different software, same casino, different casino - I'm just being categorically, Royally ripped off because no way can I be playing 96% TRTP slots and getting unreal low returns every deposit over endless spins.
This is some serious BS!

We're not talking getting some game time here and there or the odd win and playing it back, we are talking absolutely slaughtered with dead spins every single time.
What a racket.

Back in the day it was near impossible to have one sessions so bad and if you did it was a rare thing, now it is nearly every deposit.
If I were getting 85% RTP or something I might put it down to a very bad run of luck but this is so far outside expected results it can't be explained by anythign other than slots on my account being set to much lower TRTP than advertised.

Take a break?
Yeah sure but first I'm going to vent and say beware people there are so many rip off casinos out there and all software is not what it seems.
Want to get a lifetime audit at MGS for example to prove slots are way below advertised RTP, not a chance.
They just ignore my emails.
Try asking jurisdictions they are licensed in and they say they are not based in their jurisdiction and wash their hands of it.
I've played a couple of million spins at MG casinos easily so they can't BS about sample size and I guarantee my overall RTP is below 90%

Want to prove otherwise MGS?
Give me my lifetime stats all MGS casinos.

Not that MGS are the worse culprits by any means, they are actually one of the better payers!

goatwack · Apr 24, 2015

Wow, I do feel your pain there, it can't be nice to continuously lose at every turn like that. I know that even when losing badly that you feel you have every right to carry on playing your favourite slots, and why not?

Bear in mind though that these inexplicably bad runs can be accompanied by similarly baffling good runs outta nowhere, there is every chance you could have a mega session and suddenly find yourself a few hundred up.

Personally speaking, to keep crunching numbers about what your TRTP ought to be and how much you think a slot should be paying is futile and depressing, if anything. Just go with the flow and expect to lose. Who knows, you might reverse- psychology the game into paying out

And after being brutalized like you have been on these games I would certainly take *some* time out from depositing, even if to arrest the slide.

dave1888 · Apr 24, 2015

Get money/points back for your bets.

JackMack said:
I'm on a bizarre roll.
I'm getting between 25% and 50% RTP no matter which casino i play or which software over deposit after deposit after deposit.
Over hundreds of dollars and thousands of spins.
To get those sort of returns you have to trigger bonus rounds every other deposit and for them to pay absolute crap between 0 and 20 times bet every single time and between that you have to hit dead spins almost endlessly and absolutely no wins of 50 times bet or more.
How is this possible on low variance supposed 96% TRTP slots?

What a load of bullshit.
And it is not like I have breaking the bank before that. I went over 100 deposits before making a withdrawal and that was at Inetbet which sionce has robbed me blind.
I've been asking for stats every day for 6 days and still not get them, I know why. Probably below 50% RTP over thousands of spins with absolutely no decent hits in between.
MG has been unreal. I have even resorted to trying new casinos for bonus tog et some game time but my last deposit with bonus yielded 25% RTP!!!

No I'm not doing anything weird. Making small deposits and playing small bets with average lines playing long sessions, short sessions, same games, different games, same software, different software, same casino, different casino - I'm just being categorically, Royally ripped off because no way can I be playing 96% TRTP slots and getting unreal low returns every deposit over endless spins.
This is some serious BS!

We're not talking getting some game time here and there or the odd win and playing it back, we are talking absolutely slaughtered with dead spins every single time.
What a racket.

Back in the day it was near impossible to have one sessions so bad and if you did it was a rare thing, now it is nearly every deposit.
If I were getting 85% RTP or something I might put it down to a very bad run of luck but this is so far outside expected results it can't be explained by anythign other than slots on my account being set to much lower TRTP than advertised.

Take a break?
Yeah sure but first I'm going to vent and say beware people there are so many rip off casinos out there and all software is not what it seems.
Want to get a lifetime audit at MGS for example to prove slots are way below advertised RTP, not a chance.
They just ignore my emails.
Try asking jurisdictions they are licensed in and they say they are not based in their jurisdiction and wash their hands of it.
I've played a couple of million spins at MG casinos easily so they can't BS about sample size and I guarantee my overall RTP is below 90%

Want to prove otherwise MGS?
Give me my lifetime stats all MGS casinos.

Not that MGS are the worse culprits by any means, they are actually one of the better payers!

With the exception of my big win on tomb raider other day I am the same man. The best thing to do is play somewhere with decent loyalty points so you at least get something back in the long term. Places like Next,Playhippo,Betvictor,Slotty Vegas,Boyle games,Casumo,Casino room. Also if just MG any of the download casinos have good loyalty programmes check the my account section as regularly they offer double or triple points on certain games some of which you may like. Hopefully this bad run will come to a halt soon! :thumbsup:

For WMS RED kings casino this place is so easy to earn cashback. Perfect for when you are being hammered on Raging Rhino Zeus Kronos etc...

BananaCognac · Apr 27, 2015

I agree -- Ive made close to 7k in deposits at an MG casino over last three weeks and every single session has been horrendous from the first spin and I'm talking over 50 sessions and thousands of spins -- this is the second time in a couple of months -- right after a big win -- I'm starting to think that after a big win you are in for a losing streak worse than your big win.

Jono777 · Apr 27, 2015

Mine went on for weeks, lose lose f'kin lose.

I was starting to think all sorts of tin foil based ideas and did something I've never done, in that I emailed several supports asking for stats galore, just trying to shed light on what had gone wrong all of a sudden.

Then last night it all ended out of nowhere, no life changing money but a good old fashioned value for money deposit which lasted ages, plenty of features across numerous games (some good, some bad) and a whole lot more enjoyment other than click, lose, click, lose etc etc.

Now the cynic in me said to the wife, 'Funny how I get a game play and a win after those emails...' but the bottom line is it does turn around eventually, cashed £175 from a £25 deposit which has not happened for ages as I say, lets just hope I can keep it going for a while :thumbsup:

AffGency · Apr 27, 2015

BananaCognac said:
I agree -- Ive made close to 7k in deposits at an MG casino over last three weeks and every single session has been horrendous from the first spin and I'm talking over 50 sessions and thousands of spins -- this is the second time in a couple of months -- right after a big win -- I'm starting to think that after a big win you are in for a losing streak worse than your big win.

I have the feeling too, thats why i try to avoid a winning casino for few days ... but for me also everything is cold right now just at one casino i can win lately, but before that i never won there too

quber · Apr 27, 2015

AffGency said:
I have the feeling too, thats why i try to avoid a winning casino for few days ... but for me also everything is cold right now just at one casino i can win lately, but before that i never won there too

So if you are having a bit of luck somewhere you then avoid it and go to somewhere where you aren't having any luck :confused:

AffGency · Apr 27, 2015

quber said:
So if you are having a bit of luck somewhere you then avoid it and go to somewhere where you aren't having any luck

Im not so sure what you mean, i avoid a casino where i was winning .. i mean when i didnt win at one casino for a long time than I will win eventually there

psychogene · Apr 27, 2015

Had a super hot February to Mid March period where at its peak I played at 7 different online casinos and I had withdraws pending at each one at one point ranging from $100 to $400. Was playing slots I never heard of and just winning on them. Did not even look at the paytables for most of these slots but I would be triggering free spins and getting x100-x300 wins consistently. My last big win from my low rolling hot period was dead or alive getting a double wildline.

From that time till mid April though I started to play a bit more 'aggressively' but it was about as dry a period for me as I could imagine. Was barely getting any game time from any slots, hardly ever going above my starting balance and pretty much crashing out hard and fast every deposit. It got to the point where I lost just about everything I won in February so I limited my deposits at all the casinos and at this point in time have self-excluded myself from 5 of the casinos for a period of 3 months. Thankfully I am still in the positive balances somehow but am now managing my gambling budget alot more carefully these days.

I realize the danger now of having that mentality of winning so often that it feels the next time you play you have that self-belief it will continue but it has to end at some point and when you realize things have changed you have to change your approach too (unless your fortunate to be wealthy enough that you don't even care how much you have lost) if you want to continue to enjoy gambling or else it will eat you alive - this hobby/passion more than others is extremely dangerous to all aspects of your life if you let it get out of hand. Lately I have been doing good and happy to just deposit $20-$30 most days I play and cash out anywhere from $40 onwards. I'm actually more interested in getting good game time than chasing a big win at the moment because although winning big and cashing out is the ending everyone wants the chances of that happening increases with the length of the journey.

In a way after self-excluding myself for a short time from alot of casinos I thought about the money I had lost and tried to picture if I could win it back by one hot session of slots and honestly I couldn't (since I low-roll I'd need like x3000 or x4000 magical hit) so to avoid a repeat things like self-exlusion, deposit limits and doing some basic money management on your expendable income is a must.

Lesson learnt thought - winning periods in the past stay in the past once it ends and when you recognize its over don't try and start a new one just hope you get good play time with your deposits and if that does not happen honestly just deposit $10 or something and play 0.09p games and spin every 30 seconds or so

Adriana B · Apr 27, 2015

Me too!

I have tried so many casinos and have not won a dime. The best ride I got was 32Red, however, I couldn't cash out due to the bonus funds. I'm not sure that those bonus funds are worth it. I am now thinking of trying guts.com but I have lost so much with no wins that I too should probably take a break.

psychogene · Apr 27, 2015

barbara12 said:
I have tried so many casinos and have not won a dime. The best ride I got was 32Red, however, I couldn't cash out due to the bonus funds. I'm not sure that those bonus funds are worth it. I am now thinking of trying guts.com but I have lost so much with no wins that I too should probably take a break.

Actually I think 32red has pretty fair bonus terms, their wagering requirements are quite low the only downside is unlike places like Betat/SlotsMillion you can't withdraw your winnings until you have cleared the bonus WR (at those casinos I have listed you can withdraw your winnings even if you took a bonus as long as you don't dip into the bonus funds). I personally would not play at 32red exclusively too many other slot providers have great slots its always more refreshing to vary your play on them.

Guts is quite a great online casino got nice weekly promotions and the free spins are wager (bonus) free! Try a few online places and if you like them I would suggest not spending all your money at one place and spread it around

I'd hate to lose all my deposits to the one casino - if its at alot of different ones then I can at least blame them all

My favourite list (in no order)
Videoslots, Casumo, Thrills, Guts, NextCasino, 32red, EnergyCasino, Royal Panda, Betat, MrGreen

Shop around first :- Some of them have great bonus offers, weekly promotions while others have massive slot selections and great cashback/loyalty schemes.

ProbabilityZero · Apr 27, 2015

Psychogene I totally agree with all your points

I had a good winning streak followed by a dire losing streak. I stupidly chased losses by upping bet telling myself I'd quit gambling if didn't recuperate losses. Within a week I realised I was missing playing more than actually winning so went back to low 30p spins. I was very lucky and got a 4 wilds win on Immortal Romance giving me about 1600 x bet and this repaid a lot of losses. I'm now being strict and happy to say it's working by gambling responsibly.

I have a strict maximum losses figure in my head now which for me equates to money spent v entertainment derived.

I love the highs but never want to experience the major lows again but also would hate to quit slots

ProbabilityZero · Apr 27, 2015

barbara12 said:
I have tried so many casinos and have not won a dime. The best ride I got was 32Red, however, I couldn't cash out due to the bonus funds. I'm not sure that those bonus funds are worth it. I am now thinking of trying guts.com but I have lost so much with no wins that I too should probably take a break.

I've done quite well with 32 Red thanks to a couple of lucky streaks. I've learned the hard way too that £20 deposits can go in 10 mins on 243 way slots so have been playing 9p spins on Rabbit in the Hat for decent play time

Adriana B · Apr 27, 2015

Thanks

Sorry .... don't know how to "thank" on this forum. I have tried most of those casinos and must agree. If I could only win once in a while!!!!!

fun4all · Apr 27, 2015

barbara12 said:
Sorry .... don't know how to "thank" on this forum. I have tried most of those casinos and must agree. If I could only win once in a while!!!!!

you need to get to a certain number of posts (from memory, 10)

nikantw · Apr 27, 2015

Winning makes life look good. :yahoo:
It is not! Not like that, meaning you are not going to win again. Actually winning means you are going to lose!
By that I want to say that for every 1000x win you have 1000 dead spins, for every 10.000x win you have another 10.000 dead spins and so on. Actually you get 20.000 of super small wins for every 10.000x win. You see how it goes? Gambling is mostly losing, thats the way it goes. You need billions of spins to get to 95% RTP. That means years of playing.

jackanory2279 · May 14, 2015

happens to me all the time a few hundred in the whole . on aload of slots and any sort of decent bonus of spin a distant memory.. then right when i least expect it somethin wild will spin in.

lockinlove · May 14, 2015

There are two casinos that continually destroyed me anytime I played there.

32red and any clubworld casino. I shut down my red32 a couple years ago and have never been happier. Clubworld is pretty much the same.

Ive won all over the place and nice wins too...ladbrokes...gamingclub..jackpot...intercasino.. slots.lv etc.... But ive had probably half a million spins on both these casinos and have gotten ridiculously terrible results.

My $200 deposits were lasting 25 minutes....low rolling. LOL.

Im a big believer in going elsewhere if some casinos are just targetting your bank account aggressively ;P

Adriana B · May 14, 2015

Yes 32Red ran me dry too. I self excluded myself before realizing I may screw up any withdrawals with other casinos.

mrshyguy · May 15, 2015

For the last 3 months its been an absolute disaster if im honest and it dosnt seem to matter what software I play, The worst being netent, the latest games coming from them seems so poor for me that ive banned myself from playing them.

Also tried ariana I think that's what its called, played through £100 pounds at a £1.00 per spin and the best win i got was one x20, no spin feature at all absolute piss poor.

for me this is more than a dry run........for me something has changed, Its never been as bad as this.

Certainly taking a break is wise words and should be headed and thats exactly what im doing now so no deposits at unibet for a while.

As for bonuses to try to boost your playtime.....yes thats fine for those that choose to take them but as a rule to myself I dont take them as the wagering rules around these are getting more and more ridiculous by the day.

Sorry to winge and moan here on this fantastic forum with all you lovely people but it was something I felt I had to mention and share here

electronictonic · May 15, 2015

Same here, had over 60 Bonus rounds with none paying over x100, most of them x20 or less.. if I take a Bonus it is an achievement just to even climb over the starting balance
last few bonuses I took I have managed to wager through £1000 without ever climbing above the starting balance, been raped none stop for 6 months and had enough now.

psychogene · May 15, 2015

barbara12 said:
Yes 32Red ran me dry too. I self excluded myself before realizing I may screw up any withdrawals with other casinos.

You should be fine if you play at another casino that is under different brand/casino group. For example 32red has nothing to do with Guts so if you self exclude yourself from 32red it will not affect your play at Guts but because (correct me if I'm wrong) another casino called betspin and guts are under same management/ownership/group etc. then self-exclusion at guts will mean you can't play at betspin. Same goes for Betat and slotty vegas and with everymatrix run casinos it seems really messy but thrills/superlenny is one group that I know of that is seperate from the other everymatrix licensed casinos.

To play it safe before you open a new account check at the bottom of the starting page of the casino and it should tell you who runs it (eg in the fine print <insert casino> is operated by <insert company name>) or something like that. You can do a search on google or askgambler for casinos operating under that license to get a clearer picture. If the company name rings a bell on a site you already have played on and are self-excluded I wouldn't risk playing there. You could also just ask customer support before you deposit if its ok to play and make sure you save the log of the chat but even then with the CS these days making mistakes I probably wouldn't go down that path.

I am self-excluded for 3 months at alot of the casinos I used to regularly play at (for various reasons none to do with quitting gambling) and am being careful now where I play next.

psychogene · May 15, 2015

lockinlove said:
There are two casinos that continually destroyed me anytime I played there.

32red and any clubworld casino. I shut down my red32 a couple years ago and have never been happier. Clubworld is pretty much the same.

Ive won all over the place and nice wins too...ladbrokes...gamingclub..jackpot...intercasino.. slots.lv etc.... But ive had probably half a million spins on both these casinos and have gotten ridiculously terrible results.

My $200 deposits were lasting 25 minutes....low rolling. LOL.

Im a big believer in going elsewhere if some casinos are just targetting your bank account aggressively ;P

Yeah 32red has been huge up and down for me over 7 months of playing there. Have had great wins but also many many many losing deposits in a row. In Jan I was down $1000 there but after big wins at Jurassic Park / Gung Pow / Fat Lady Sings I managed to get my balance to around $0 but then the losing began again and when I was down $400 I just decided to self-exclude for 3 months and play elsewhere - worked out for the best really.

I'm back playing there now but only on $50 a week max limit - still a good place to play but I am also a big believer in playing at lots of different places - if you going to lose better to share your cash amongst alot of casinos than just the one!

Speaking of 32red I notice at casinomeisters starting page it has 32red listed as 'Cashout Time - Within 24 hrs' ..... Needs updating!

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