The Wishmaster

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My wish for the wishmaster was - once you trigger a lantern bonus, it didn't cost you money to do those 10 spins, not once, not twice but three times tonight in 1 session i ran out of money during those 10 spins, and had to re-deposit a small sum to see them out, fortunately the last 1 won most of my money back. but still..

I know its already caused issues with players abusing bonus money, free spins promotions where you cant see out the bonus round, but its awful game design, just imagine if every games "bonus feature" cost you money, heaven knows where they would fund the rtp from though its not like the standard game pays more than stake for most wins :mad:

it does make me question if anyone who actually play slots for real get to quality check the slots and why aren't glaring things like this highlighted, that are spotted by the players with a week of release..

rant over :p

feel free to add your own rants :D
 
No complain here about this game. I love it!

What I don't do though is playing it for my last money, just for the reason you stated.
I always start with this game instead.
 
My wish for the wishmaster was - once you trigger a lantern bonus, it didn't cost you money to do those 10 spins, not once, not twice but three times tonight in 1 session i ran out of money during those 10 spins, and had to re-deposit a small sum to see them out, fortunately the last 1 won most of my money back. but still..

I know its already caused issues with players abusing bonus money, free spins promotions where you cant see out the bonus round, but its awful game design, just imagine if every games "bonus feature" cost you money, heaven knows where they would fund the rtp from though its not like the standard game pays more than stake for most wins :mad:

it does make me question if anyone who actually play slots for real get to quality check the slots and why aren't glaring things like this highlighted, that are spotted by the players with a week of release..

rant over :p

feel free to add your own rants :D


I mentioned this a while back - it's a ridiculous game (like the other Netbent tripe slot Big Bungle) for casinos to give free spins on, as you pay for the bonus rounds yourself each spin, and should you run out of credits you're stuffed. The Dish Washer did this to me on Guts; got the tea towel drop in with 2 free spins left, got the 3x multiplier IIRC and needless to say the first 2 'bonus' spins never paid enough for me to continue with the other 8.....:mad:
 
I wish kktmd was still around to find the exact variance of this game. I'm certain that it blows DoA and CFTBL out of water.
 
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I'm working with a statistician friend on a new website listing specific slot stats from real play testing. I can take a look at The Wishmaster for you. We've been running 4 x 1,000 spin play cycles and comparing them to official stated manufacturer stats.

What kind of stats would help shed light on the true character of the game? We're open to suggestions here :D

Obviously I can't link the site but I can post the stats up here once we've done them.
 
I'm working with a statistician friend on a new website listing specific slot stats from real play testing. I can take a look at The Wishmaster for you. We've been running 4 x 1,000 spin play cycles and comparing them to official stated manufacturer stats.

What kind of stats would help shed light on the true character of the game? We're open to suggestions here :D

Obviously I can't link the site but I can post the stats up here once we've done them.


You should tell your statistician friends that 4 x 1,000 spins will not be sufficient to get any kind of reliable stats. This is especially true if the slot has high variance. If for example 5% of the RTP comes from 1,000 x bet wins this mean they will have a hit frequency of around 1 in 20,000, this cannot be reliably estimated from 4,000 spins which means that your RTP estimations will be way off.
 
I'm working with a statistician friend on a new website listing specific slot stats from real play testing. I can take a look at The Wishmaster for you. We've been running 4 x 1,000 spin play cycles and comparing them to official stated manufacturer stats.

What kind of stats would help shed light on the true character of the game? We're open to suggestions here :D

Obviously I can't link the site but I can post the stats up here once we've done them.
You need to do a LOT more spins than that!
At least 10 x more if you want anything like an accurate picture IMHO.

The other guy on this forum who tests out games runs to 100 features = around 16,000 spins.
(Forgot his name, sorry!)
Even that is not enough to get an accurate result.

KK
 
You need to do a LOT more spins than that!
At least 10 x more if you want anything like an accurate picture IMHO.

The other guy on this forum who tests out games runs to 100 features = around 16,000 spins.
(Forgot his name, sorry!)
Even that is not enough to get an accurate result.


KK

That would be me :p

My posts with 100 features on new slots is just to get a very rough idea of what to expect.

Of course it isn't nearly enough to be statistically significant, for that you need hundreds of thousands of spins and preferably at least a few million like kktmd have done for some slots(DOA, TS2, IR, CFTBL and some others).
 
That would be me :p

My posts with 100 features on new slots is just to get a very rough idea of what to expect.

Of course it isn't nearly enough to be statistically significant, for that you need hundreds of thousands of spins and preferably at least a few million like kktmd have done for some slots(DOA, TS2, IR, CFTBL and some others).

The best part was when he was stripping the reels (on MGS) and then was able to determine the probabilities of landing various stuff. He then ran 1M spins on the slots and it was amazingly close to what was predicted.

That's how I learned that MGS was using "genuine" reels and random stops to determine the outcomes, and that different bonus rounds on the same slots had the same RTP with different variance. So many people still don't know this. His posts should be sticked!
 
Of course that's true. The idea was not to challenge the manufacturer's stated RTP claims, but to run 'typical' play sessions and to compare the results. 1,000 spins helps to give a sense of what an average session might look like, and the varying RTP you might expect over a shorter play cycle. That's our aim, to help players understand what RTP means in context of how they might actually play the games.

Maybe this is useless information and we should re-think?

I would be interested in knowing how to run larger samples though. Is there any way to automate the data capture?
 
The best part was when he was stripping the reels (on MGS) and then was able to determine the probabilities of landing various stuff. He then ran 1M spins on the slots and it was amazingly close to what was predicted.

That's how I learned that MGS was using "genuine" reels and random stops to determine the outcomes, and that different bonus rounds on the same slots had the same RTP with different variance. So many people still don't know this. His posts should be sticked!

I have just been reading those posts after your comments. Amazing stuff and should certainly be stickied!

Avalon II, 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of 5 scatters...wow.
 
I got seriously beaten by this game a couple of weeks ago...
I was playing this at Unibet and started with a balance well over €500.00 twice in a row,money I won on other machines...
Wishmaster ate it away like candy and I seriously was thinking wtf is wrong with this game.
However,a day after I went back with a €100.00 bankroll and I got fairly quickly a great bonusround with 2 different expanding/muliplier wilds and the x3 multiplier and it paid me just over 1000x bet so had the money back I invested in it the days before.

Think one of Netents most high variance games ever except DOA which is just a sick piece of sh*t.
 
Well we ran our 4 x 1000 spins sessions on The Wishmaster and got results that pretty much tell the story of what this slot is like to play. Total spankings on three sessions and a big win (4 reels of Wilds) on one session that completely skewed the RTP.

No we haven't learned anything conclusive, but the RTP and Profit graphs look cool :D

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I have just been reading those posts after your comments. Amazing stuff and should certainly be stickied!

Avalon II, 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of 5 scatters...wow.
Is it REALLY that high? That seems WAY too much. Got a link to the post?

Even if true, it's still not as high as getting a full screen of wilds on Cashapillar: 1 in 4,029,109,968 spins... :eek2:

KK
 
I have just been reading those posts after your comments. Amazing stuff and should certainly be stickied!

Avalon II, 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of 5 scatters...wow.

That is ridiculous! If I actually managed to do that I would feel that my karma was seriously outweighed and that something terrible would happen to me that had odds of 2,555,120,700... like being hit in the face by a rocket propelled turkey so hard that the beak pierces my skull and I die... but even that's more likely to happen than getting five Scatters on Avalon II based on those figures!
 
Avalon II, 1 in 2,555,120,700 chance of 5 scatters...wow.

Not quite... that was the probability of a full screen of wilds. From the same thread, kktmd calculated the chance of 5 scatters was 1 in 292,080 - still an eye-watering probability!

I remember Chopley commenting on this in one of his videos at the time... you expect the odds to be bleak, but an order of magnitude worse than winning the lottery is incredible :eek:
 
did that testing include the lady of the lake feature that makes reel 3 totally wild ? ive seen the reel strips from that old thread and its pretty scary when you see how long some of them are, but im guessing reel 3 has stacked wilds as well as the lady of the lake feature which in essence is the same thing that can trigger in 3 positions on that reel. either way it still going to be scarily high.
 
Correct - the Lady means there are four winning steps rather than one on the third reel, and thus four combinations out of 10,220,482,800 that would result in a full screen of wilds. Without the Lady, it would be 1 in 10.2 billion! :eek2: This is of course assuming the reels are genuinely random (which with those odds, there's no reason for them not to be! :rolleyes:).

To put it into context, if they had added the Lady to all five reels instead - you'd have 1024 combinations out of 10.2 billion - or still an astronomical 1 in 9.98 million!
 
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