Guts,Videoslots and Betat overhyped? Piss poor payouts!

It seams to me all the casinos that everyone here speaks so higly about to me atleats are total shit... Dont get me wrong all of the above have generous promos,cashbacks, and comps but does it really matter if the games dont pay anything?

Lets take videoslots i think i deposited close to 2k euros and never cashed out one single euro.. Maybe i had 1 or two sessions where i was slightley ahead. Account closed.

Guts i had several horrible sessions and closed, reopened and same shit closed again.

Betat never cashed out, cant remember how much i deposited before i closed it the first time, but reopened and have lost over 1100 Euros the last two weeks.. 6-700 the last 2 days. Same shit everytime RTP of 60-80 ish..Finished a session now on DOA RTP 69%!

All of these casinos has been generous with comps, more than many other casinos but id rather exchange that for better sessions where winning atleats seams within reach... On all of the aboce i can never seam to get a winning session no matter what game i play

So are casinos that offer more comps,promos etc tighter? This seams to be my experience atleast

Slots aren't any tighter (or looser) with us, BETAT, than say GUTS, Videoslots, or any other casino with the same offerings. As has been mentioned many, many times here in the forum, we (the casinos) have zero control over your return. The slots are identical regardless where you play them. I'm sorry you've had recent bad luck, but I'm afraid to say, it's well out of our realm of influence. All we can do is provide them, and hopefully excellent service and some enjoyable promotions along the way.

Yes.

All the casinos that you personally don't win at have " piss poor" payouts.

Remember....RTP means "Return To a Player" I.e. you personally. So, if you don't get around 96% return on every session, then they are definitely rigged.

It's also important to note that DOA is very low variance, so it's very unusual to lose all your bankroll on it quickly. Seems to be different for you, so they might have tightened the games up just for your account.

Oh, and all the screenshots are fake and are placed there by casino reps disguised as long time members.

whodatrec said:

It seams to me all the casinos that everyone here speaks so higly about to me atleats are total shit... Dont get me wrong all of the above have generous promos,cashbacks, and comps but does it really matter if the games dont pay anything?

Lets take videoslots i think i deposited close to 2k euros and never cashed out one single euro.. Maybe i had 1 or two sessions where i was slightley ahead. Account closed.

Guts i had several horrible sessions and closed, reopened and same shit closed again.

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YES it most definitely does matter! Online casinos are seperated entirely by their promotional offerings/cashbacks, comp points systems, and quality of support - and of course the range of games offered - but that is what determines how good they are, not how lucky (or not) you or anybody else happens to be over a handful of sessions, even if they wanted to, they can't make you lose... or win, for that matter.

Your not that johnny guy in disguise are you??? Joke, but be careful going down that closing/self-excluding from every casino you lose at on your first deposit or two ... its beyond ridiculous!

Nifty29 said:

Yes.

All the casinos that you personally don't win at have " piss poor" payouts.

Remember....RTP means "Return To a Player" I.e. you personally. So, if you don't get around 96% return on every session, then they are definitely rigged.

It's also important to note that DOA is very low variance, so it's very unusual to lose all your bankroll on it quickly. Seems to be different for you, so they might have tightened the games up just for your account.

Oh, and all the screenshots are fake and are placed there by casino reps disguised as long time members.

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Do you even gamble? So if you lost 2K at a casino not even betting high, getting shitty session after session would you just say oh well variance and bad luck? You wouldent feel like its tight?

And please spare me your sarcastic remarks...

I would write a responce but i fear i would get banned...

I've found the MG slots on Quickfire, have got tighter and tighter. So i now play MG on the viper download clients and just Netent on browser based sites. I'm not saying I always win on viper, but i always get a hell of a lot more play time for my money.

whodatrec said:

Do you even gamble? So if you lost 2K at a casino not even betting high, getting shitty session after session would you just say oh well variance and bad luck? You wouldent feel like its tight?

And please spare me your sarcastic remarks...

I would write a responce but i fear i would get banned...

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Bryan on his way, you will defo get banned. Casinos just for earning money for players, this is an idea. Everyone who disagree get banned here.
Everything is a scam.

Videoslots was the worst, and yes i think MG games seams to be the problem.. Its like you say tighter, and tighter...

All in genral seams tighter.

Remember there has become alot of competition and there might be little room for proffits. I used to work at an gambling arkade. At first payouts was around 80% then 70% then 60% and so on as the competition grew, and goverment regulations was enforced to maintain proffit the they reduced the payouts...

Offcourse they didd not tell me they didd, but i didd the monthley accounting and i saw a trend over the years. Customers also noticed this.
Im not saying this is the case with online casinos, but remember NetEnt,MG and so on have royalties of the revenue. So it would be in their best interest to have the games as tight as possible. offcourse there is a thinn line, because to low and people would stopp playing. But i think the trend to come is tighter and tighter slots.

All providers have gotten harder and harder to win at over the years, and i know alot of you agree with me on this!
The above arcades i was talking about have become so tight that most people here find them unplayable...

Maybe the Guts,videoslots and Betat have no controll over the games, but still my sessions on stated casinos has been bad. And how can we know what goes on on the the software providers end... Might even be diffrent versions of the games as with RTG..

whodatrec said:

Do you even gamble? So if you lost 2K at a casino not even betting high, getting shitty session after session would you just say oh well variance and bad luck? You wouldent feel like its tight?

And please spare me your sarcastic remarks...

I would write a responce but i fear i would get banned...

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Right after I finish a bad session I would feel the same as you. F*ck that casino, but deep inside I know it is just bad luck. It is ofcourse a (small) possibility that it goes more on in the background than we know of, as we saw with Ultimatebet when it comes to poker, but there wouldn't be very much we could do about it if so. Try another casino if you feel that the ones you mention don't give you enough back. There are loads to choose between, and you may also get some nice SUBs aswell.

well you dont need to have a pop at nifty pointless realy hes just saying ) he didnt do anything wrong , anyway back onto the subject your not the only having a grilling with MG im in same boat but maybe worst i have have done a little more than 2k ) my comments are mainly mg not other softwares ,ive been saved a few times via live roulette .

also just to add that all those casinos are great top notch service winning losing doesnt matter theyre great outfits & i would rather lose my money at these places than anywhere else apart from videoslots i realy cant stand there casino something never has felt right there for me , thats not knocking them at all , but the other two are my top choice for play

Norway boasts the best human rights record in the world.
Norway holds the current chess world champion.
Some casinos refuse to play with Norwegians because they are too smart.

I am surprised to see a post like this by a Norwegian.

mrjones said:

well you dont need to have a pop at nifty pointless realy hes just saying ) he didnt do anything wrong , anyway back onto the subject your not the only having a grilling with MG im in same boat but maybe worst i have have done a little more than 2k ) my comments are mainly mg not other softwares ,ive been saved a few times via live roulette .

also just to add that all those casinos are great top notch service winning losing doesnt matter theyre great outfits & i would rather lose my money at these places than anywhere else apart from videoslots i realy cant stand there casino something never has felt right there for me , thats not knocking them at all , but the other two are my top choice for play

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As i said all the above casinos have been more than fair with comps,bonuses and so on.. I have nothing bad to say about that. But for me, i have horrible luck there.

And also i diddent have a pop at him, i just pointed out i dont like his sarcasm or insulting post. If he finds my thread annoying or whatever dont read it

petro said:

Norway boasts the best human rights record in the world.
Norway holds the current chess world champion.
Some casinos refuse to play with Norwegians because they are too smart.

I am surprised to see a post like this by a Norwegian.

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Haha, well if i was smart i wouldent gamble at all... But i never heard of a casino not accepting Norwegians. As i have said before there is more going on behind the curtains than we know im sure of it

how bout this?

43 deposits at casinoluck with no wins. I couldn't take it anymore, just stopped playing there.

56 deposits at Guts with no wins. losing faith there too.

DepositSpinLose said:

43 deposits at casinoluck with no wins. I couldn't take it anymore, just stopped playing there.

56 deposits at Guts with no wins. losing faith there too.

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Yes same at videoslots for me must be like 30+ deposits. Guts not so many but Betat i have deposited maybe 10 times the last two weeks and i had one session where i was alittle up and the rest has been total shit.

56 and 43 are just insaaaaane. You where never up by much? The thing is if i deposite 100 win 800 and blow it all back, i have won and prolly had a good session, not cashing out would be my own fault. But on these casinos almost all sessions have been like this: deposite 100-150 instantly downhill or maybe im up 30-40 euros before it hits the kill switch. Just discustingly bad luck.

I can't speak for the others, but personally I've gotten more playtime at Guts than anywhere else I've played lately. Yesterday I made a $15 deposit and got my balance up to $350 before losing it all back. Yes and most of it went back to DOA and Reel Steal. Oh and that Robin Hood...I hate him.

That being said, most of the NetEnt games that I played were in suck mode for the most part, but I got a few decent hits on games I've never tried before. I think if you try varying your game choice a bit instead of throwing your money at games that just aren't paying that you have a better chance of getting a win.

I've made countless withdrawals from Guts since I joined them. From £100 up to thousands. I never deposit any more than £200 either.
Without doubt the only casino I would recommend to my Granny.

I feel your pain though - if it weren't for Immortal Romance I would be RICH
In fact (now I think about it), I don't even want to say you're wrong, or feed you the "it's all luck" line because if you read my thread (about the aforementioned slot), I'm questioning the integrity of that game. If I can do that, who am I to then argue with someone else who is experiencing something similar system-wide? It's incredibly frustrating when it feels like you're pissing into the wind.

Bare in mind - I'm not saying you're "right" and the casinos you mentioned really are tighter, I'm just saying you've every right to feel the way you do right now given such rotten luck. And I won't argue with you. I hope it changes for you

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43 deposits at casinoluck with no wins. I couldn't take it anymore, just stopped playing there.

56 deposits at Guts with no wins. losing faith there too.

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It doesn't matter where you play, they are ALL offering the exact same slots with the same RTP wrapped in a different package. If you want to bash NetEnt or MGS then go ahead but blaming your losses on the casinos offering them is pointless.

Also, 99 straight deposits with no win is definitely a problem on your end. Either you bet way too high for your bankroll or you wait too long to cashout. It's one or the other.

Or, instead of deposit small amount, make a bigger deposit, because you are going to deposit anyway if you loose.

Id rather deposit 100 instead 4x25.


Many times I deposit $ 200-300-400, because I think I have a better chance to win something. Just my op. Off course I also loose some times.


Yesterday playing at Casinoval, spin 0.75 only..withdrew $900. Deposit was $ 100

Today at Unibet playing only Jurassic Park at $ 1.5 a spin..withdrew $ 725. Deposit $ 50

Just look at all those screenshots in the winners page and the threads titled "thankyou xxx for this win". Someone has to pay for it and unfortunately a lot of people will have to have sub-par sessions if the RTP is going to keep on track. And for a small percentage, a losing streak that seems never-ending, the polar opposite of the winners who constantly win nearly every time. It just happens to be you and me who have been dealt with the losing card and the only thing you can really do about is just stop depositing which I have done a few weeks ago. Trust me I have gone through the exact same thing, muttering to myself "what the hell is going on", especially given I'm solely playing high variance and I've accepted the extreme cold runs that number close to a thousand sessions, but the sessions that have been good are just so far and few between that it's just not worth it anymore. I've gone on binges where you think the next deposit couldn't get any worse and lo and behold, they just provide you with a session so cold, your entire perception changes and you're to scared to deposit anymore as your predictions of a s**t session is reaffirmed once again for the n-tenth time. If you don't trust these slots I recommend you to vote with your wallet and stop depositing there. No one truly knows if everything's truly above aboard and it's an answer we will probably never know and you can only trust your instincts.

My balance seems to vanish when playing at theses multi platforms casinos, I dnt no about any comp points ect as Im yet to see any,

Saying that I did have a good run on slotty and and betat, Withdraw a verry small amounts, Yes payout was quick but 1 payment only hit the bank today (sat) and thats stamped mondays date so I guess the other payment will go in tuesday, Its the longest cycle Ive had to wait, Normally next day from most sites depending on time than it could be 2 days

About the piss poor payouts Ive seen it first hand over time, Its just getting worser, You used to get a good run for yor money, Now days its just take take & more take,

BETAT said:

Slots aren't any tighter (or looser) with us, BETAT, than say GUTS, Videoslots, or any other casino with the same offerings. As has been mentioned many, many times here in the forum, we (the casinos) have zero control over your return. The slots are identical regardless where you play them. I'm sorry you've had recent bad luck, but I'm afraid to say, it's well out of our realm of influence. All we can do is provide them, and hopefully excellent service and some enjoyable promotions along the way.

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I agree that slots aren't necessarily tighter or looser when compared to other casinos. However, your bonus wagering requirements are very steep. In fact, there don't conform with the terms and conditions of the bonuses. For the bonuses I recently played with some slots like Blood Suckers were said to contribute 100% to wagering. Not so, its only 50% and I relayed it to Igor several weeks ago but apparently he is either on leave or hasn't done anything about it. The term is still there but the contribution rate is still wrong.

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I agree that slots aren't necessarily tighter or looser when compared to other casinos. However, your bonus wagering requirements are very steep. In fact, there don't conform with the terms and conditions of the bonuses. For the bonuses I recently played with some slots like Blood Suckers were said to contribute 100% to wagering. Not so, its only 50% and I relayed it to Igor several weeks ago but apparently he is either on leave or hasn't done anything about it. The term is still there but the contribution rate is still wrong.

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My fault - I remember your message. I missed to follow it up.

Thanks chuchu!

Naming and shaming casino's for personal bad runs/losses is not nice i.m.h.o.
Especially since you seem to have bad luck with some very very reputable casino's.
Those guys offer you the service which is for you to be able to play slots or whatever casino game suits you.
Maybe if you have issues with certain slots you could approach the customer service of those slot providers (Netent/MGS/WMS).
A casino is just a platform where you are able to play those slots.
And I do understand how frustrating it is if it seems that the slots are all against you but believe me,I had similar streaks on accredited casino's but instead of complaining I rather PM a rep here or e-mail CS if they might give you a comp.
Most accredited casino's I play at will mostly always give you a decent comp after a very bad streak.
And believe me I have had and still do have my portion of very bad streaks,I have one as we speak on Novomatic Slots,last 4k deposits over last few weeks not a single decent hit or the ability to cashout...So yeah it sucks but hey I am the one choosing to play them.

But thinking those casino's can influence the outcome of your RTP or amount of money you will win or lose is a waste of your time.
Don't think casino's online would have much customers if this would be the case.

Also I wish to point out that it is easier for landbased casino's to get their slots rigged as they have access to the cabinets and they would be able to set the RTP higher or lower,at least I know in Holland most slots can be altered pretty easy as I used to own a good few slots myself.

So I am sorry you have a bad run but we always seem to blame the casino's for those while we forget about the good wins we had which I am sure of you had a good few in your gambling carreer.

Wish you the best of luck and may lady luck visit you soon in one of those casino's,great casino's that I would recommend to any of my friends without hesitation by the way!

Mark.

whodatrec said:

It seams to me all the casinos that everyone here speaks so higly about to me atleats are total shit... Dont get me wrong all of the above have generous promos,cashbacks, and comps but does it really matter if the games dont pay anything?

Lets take videoslots i think i deposited close to 2k euros and never cashed out one single euro.. Maybe i had 1 or two sessions where i was slightley ahead. Account closed.

Guts i had several horrible sessions and closed, reopened and same shit closed again.

Betat never cashed out, cant remember how much i deposited before i closed it the first time, but reopened and have lost over 1100 Euros the last two weeks.. 6-700 the last 2 days. Same shit everytime RTP of 60-80 ish..Finished a session now on DOA RTP 69%!

All of these casinos has been generous with comps, more than many other casinos but id rather exchange that for better sessions where winning atleats seams within reach... On all of the aboce i can never seam to get a winning session no matter what game i play

So are casinos that offer more comps,promos etc tighter? This seams to be my experience atleast

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I will admit that after a prolonged period of crap sessions I also find such thoughts enter my head but after the red mist has cleared I can step back and see the situation for what it is - laws of probability.

I have done the same thing - bust out in a very short period of time then self-excluded myself from the casino to "show them who is boss" in a fit of anger. To be totally honest though, whenever this happens to me I find that when I look back at the situation I have usually started these sessions in the wrong frame of mind (bad day at work, women trouble, money trouble etc) and have tried to make a quick £500 to put a positive slant on the day. Then when this does not happen I am in an even fouler mood for the remainder of the evening, vow not to do it again and regret depositing in the first place. I don't play now if I am in a filthy mood, but it cost me a good bit of cash before I learned this lesson. Note that I am not suggesting that this is what you have done, just what I have noticed in my own behaviour in the past.

The bottom line is that slots are designed to make money for the casino long term so we (should) KNOW that we are not going to win. This (or any other) site can only rate casinos based on meaningful criteria such as reliability and speed of cashout payment, good CS, etc. You cannot judge a casinos quality based on how many players win because the games are designed for us not to win.

I have personally played at all of the above casinos you have talked about and found them to be good reliable casinos. I have also played at many of the rogue casinos listed here and had no problem (because I like playtech games). I also received my biggest payout in months from a non-accredited casino that I also consider to be a very poor casino in terms of CS and other things (I will not name it here). However, good or bad, the casinos themselves cannot be held responsible for the slots running hot or cold.