Cash o lot Casino experience (Rival)

Well in short - it was a very bad experience , dry and boring slots , unbeatable WR - just a waste of money and time...

i deposited around 700 € claiming multible bonuses.

One was the 5000 % Bonus where i depoisted 250 € received 12500 € Bonus and the wagering requirements was 70xd+b(!!!) and max cashout was 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case).

That means the wagering requirtements were 892500 € wich is just sick and the worst thing is the max bet on the slots is limited to 37,5 € some even only allow 20 € bets...


Long story short - this was a super frustrating experience , also the slots are supertight and the WR requirements are unbeatable (that also applies to the other bonuses offered)


Save your money and dont play there , personally im done with Rival Casinos since they all have the same huge Bonus mega huge WR jinx going on.

Also the rule that you are not allowed to wager 20 % or more from the total WR on a single game is pretty silly since you dont have any way to track how much you ve wagered yet on a game (my winnings got voided once at another RIval casino because of that rule - that was Dendera Casino , also deposited over 1k € there and the only win i had got voided because of the 20 % rule...)


Well i was dumb enough to try Rival again but now thats it for me - diagf rival casinos

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Are you trying out every new casino there is, just to be able to warn us about them?

This one I believe is Tropicas sister casino.

I feel that nothing in your story is a reason for anyone to not play there.
If you don't accept their rules, or if you don't like their promotions, if the games are cold for you...is your opinion.
I don't think everyone have the same experience.

They also have a rep here that actually care about their players, and are active, which also is the reason why I write this post.
With no rep here I wouldn't have cared about any Rival

Hello casinokoenig

I play Casholot and Tropica for weeks now on a daily basis.

I enjoy the Rival slots and searched for a long time to find a Rival casino I trust in.

Dieter is the rep here and he is great. I PM`ed him maybe 15 times and the answer was always helpful and very prompt.

Because of the WR. Some of them are definately not high, for example 50% booster with WR: 17x D+B.

The good thing is, you can take the most promotions with every deposit you make, not just one time a week or month.

And if you are loyal player you get free chips etc. pp.

I will stay with Casholot and Tropica.

But that is only my experience

PS: Because of the tight slots. I was never able to make so much Winner Screenshots since I play there

Hi there casinokoenig,

I am sorry to hear that you had a bad experience at our casino. Please PM your login and I will look into your account / game-play. I need to mention that we have 10 offers available to our customers (I can't post them here as we are not accredited), however I would appreciate it if you looked at what is in your cashier to see that we have some of the most respectable offers available.

As for the 20% Rule, that is simply there to prevent bonus abuse from new players. We have applied the rule all of 4 times since inception. That said, I am doing a review of all our rules so that they are uniform across all the brands and the 20% Rule is on the list for review.

Thank you Tirilej - appreciate your support here.

All the best,
Dieter

casinokoenig said:

Well in short - it was a very bad experience , dry and boring slots , unbeatable WR - just a waste of money and time...

i deposited around 700 € claiming multible bonuses.

One was the 5000 % Bonus where i depoisted 250 € received 12500 € Bonus and the wagering requirements was 70xd+b(!!!) and max cashout was 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case).
That means the wagering requirtements were 892500 € wich is just sick and the worst thing is the max bet on the slots is limited to 37,5 € some even only allow 20 € bets...


Long story short - this was a super frustrating experience , also the slots are supertight and the WR requirements are unbeatable (that also applies to the other bonuses offered)


Save your money and dont play there , personally im done with Rival Casinos since they all have the same huge Bonus mega huge WR jinx going on.

Also the rule that you are not allowed to wager 20 % or more from the total WR on a single game is pretty silly since you dont have any way to track how much you ve wagered yet on a game (my winnings got voided once at another RIval casino because of that rule - that was Dendera Casino , also deposited over 1k € there and the only win i had got voided because of the 20 % rule...)


Well i was dumb enough to try Rival again but now thats it for me - diagf rival casinos

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WHAT??? And you actually deposited there??? I am beyond words (for once.)

The games could not have been too "dry & boring" since you kept depositing and playing. I really like the Rival games, but each to their own. Not everyone will like everything. You could have tried them in fun mode first to see if you liked the platform.

They offer a variety of bonuses including some for 100% with a much lower WR and no max cash out. YOU chose the high % and high WR bonuses and accepted those terms.

The 5000% bonus is fun to try if your looking for a long weekend of play time for a small deposit. The chances of making the WR are small, but it could happen. I've played this twice and played on it for several days each time. It was worth my $50 deposit in entertainment value IMO.

When I play for real, I don't play with a bonus or take a small reasonable one.

The 5000% bonus is a all or nothing bonus. Or for people who want a long playtime and have not much money.

50 with this bonus brings you 2500. If you play small bets you can play for 1 month for 50 . I don`t know another place where you can have such a long playtime with such a small deposit.

Well you definitely wanted to give the whole thing a valid shot I think....maybe you just ran bad....would've probably stopped depositing after the first shot.....

Quick update: Managed to track down the OP's account using some good old fashioned detective work and sent him a PM.

He did have a really bad experience and we all know how that feels. Hopefully he will accept my offer to try the promotion again and this time have more luck

Good night all.
Dieter

Just to show you can actually win on these bonuses. I took the step 6 500% with a $50 deposit yesterday. It had a 50 D+B WR for $15,000, max cashout 3x bonus + deposit. (edit to clarify 3x bonus = $750 + deposit of $50 for total of $800. not 3X D+B for $900.)
I played on it for 2 straight days and just cashed out $800 after clearing the WR.
Here is a screen shot that helped put me over the top.

Quick question for casino rep:

Are finnish players welcome to your casinos and if we are, can we use your bonuses?

Thank you!

Hi there,

As mentioned before: We have recently acquired 3 dormant brands from Rival and are in the process of setting up new websites and offers and terms for all 5 casinos. We have decided that the following countries will be allowed to use bonuses, however at a higher wagering requirement:

Afghanistan, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Bhutan, Bulgaria, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland Greece, Hungary, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan, Yemen and Romania

The wagering will be either 2x more or 4x more depending on the country. Finland is 2x more. The wagering will be displayed in the cashier for any promotion you take.

We are in the process of setting up new offers to accommodate these changes, so for now, our old Rules apply.

Thank you,
Dieter

So us smart players from Sweden is still not allowed to use bonuses, or have I missed us been taking back again?
I don't remember really but I know I closed my account for that simple reason.
Yeah I know I personally could get bonuses anyway, but I defended my country

Hi,

My post lists the countries that will have higher wagering requirements. All other countries (Sweden included) will have standard wagering.

(EDIT) The list above is the exception to the norm. I.e. if a country is listed there, higher wagering is applied. If not listed, regular wagering is applied.

Regards,
Dieter

Tropica Casino said:

Hi,

My posts lists the countries that will have higher wagering requirements. All other countries (Sweden included) will have standard wagering.

Regards,
Dieter

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So we are back in? That was nice to hear
Then I'll just have to think about if I can get over the other thing I was was angry about, and then I maybe will come back

Hiya,

As mentioned previously, we are still in the process of setting things up for the new brands and therefore we have not made any announcement/s to players. Old rules still apply for the next month or so while we prepare the new sites and offers.

Regards,
Dieter

Can someone please explain to me why different countries have a higher playthorugh / wagering requirement ,

It kinda just seems racist to me ... ,If it's because there is a higher number of fraudsters or abusive players from there then just don't allow them to play altogether ,Surely if Fraud is what your worried about then you don't want these guys playing and winning at all , And putting the wagering up higher does not stop this , It just lowers the chances of withdrawal but as they are not playing with there own cash i don't see how this would deter them !

Instead it just punishes the average player which i'm sure makes up for the vast vast majority of us

I really don't think this would be allowed in any other form of business , As it basically stereotyping and discrimination

I am British so this has no impact on me but it always shocks me to say what casinos seem to get away with and sometimes more so how players seem to accept it or even defend it ,
Again maybe because i'm British as here we have rules and regulations for everything , You cant breather for them

This whole situation is like a guy in a bar who is a known alcoholic trying to get a drink ,The barman refuses to sell him one as he knows it will cause trouble then changes his mind and says "yes you can have one but it will cost you double or triple what everyone else is paying " , "Oh and all your friends have to pay triple to , Just incase "

The guy gets drunk and smashes up the bar ( manages to get through the increased wagering requirements with his fraudulent card ,takes his winnings and runs " )

So the casino loses , And all his friends that were with him ( that were not violent alchies ) have all lost out to as they had to pay more for there night out due to association / Stereotyping

The only guy that wins in this situation is the fraudster which is surely bad for everyone right ?

So instead of a rule to protect against fraudsters , Isn't this more a ruling to make extra profit , For every 1 in say 5000 players that are fraudulent , perhaps 1000 players from the group of nations with increased playthrough have a 200% -400% less chance of making there wagering requirements .

Would a fraudster with access to free money in the form of a stolen card really be wanting to take a bonus meaning he has to do wagering for hours on end , Or would he play straight up , get a quick win and run ?

This kinda just seems like another underhanded tactic

My advice is always to just leave bonuses well alone , I think the promotion system has got greedy and become abusive ,So much so that it is now a hindrance to play with a bonus ,

I have stopped recently , And although my sessions are now shorter , the losing ones alot shorter , I have also been making more withdrawals then i used to and i have been getting paid alot quicker without any worries that perhaps i had 1 spin on the wrong game, or i clicked max bet by accident and went over the allowed max stake only to have all my winning cancelled after hours of play

It's always weird to see Finland in these lists since we really do like to gamble here and many casinos like finnish players. Guess they just decided to shove the whole eastern europe to their list of evil countries or whatever
But it's their loss of course.

I'm sure that Goldenman slot has been in no way influenced by Ironman...

well , i have to say i didnt expect anything positive happening after i post my experiences here , i just wanted to share my personal experiences with Rival Casinos over the last years and wanted to hear from others if anyone enjoys playing there..

Well it could have been possibly a very cold streak or something but combined with my wininngs not paid at another Rival after finally managing to fullfill the WR requirements there - i might have been steaming a bit too much and i think its a very nice move from the rival rep to contact me and even offer to look into the "Dendera" issue and see if he can do something there - thats just an unexpected positive move.

Still i d be interested whats the actual payout % in those Rivals offering those bonuses.
And i dont mean the Slot payout percentage, i mean the Deposits/withdrawals ratio.

Anyway , i was obviously steaming a bit when making my OP so...

Have a nice weekend @ll

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

kavaman said:

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

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I don't like it of course and I don't think anyone do.
For me it would feel insane since I almost always just play a few games at Rivals. I have my four favourits and could be one of those that was denied.
Now I don't think that will happen, but what if?

Dieter wrote that they where removing it so I do hope they will (I hope that's what he wrote)

Edit: No, it was just under review.

kavaman said:

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

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Yeah, I agree. This rule really is crap. Even though I like to play a variety of games when I play. It's just impossible to really keep track of how much you play on any one single game. If I feel like I've been on a game for a while I switch, but there is really no good way to know.

Dieter did mention in one of the first posts that they are reviewing the terms and looking at this one in particular. Hopefully it will go away.

Have to give you guys an update.

I decided to depost another 500 € (wich is a huge deposit for me) for a 200 % "VIP Bonus" w. 25xD+B Wagering requirements but some games only count 1/10 or 1/5 (some of the newer slots also counted less than others..) so my total wagering requirements would be 37500 € with a starting balance of 1500€.

Basically this Bonus could only be cleared playing Slots wich makes it an OK Bonus (25xD+B).


I started playing Hole in Won betting 18,75€ (the allowed maximum bet at this slots was 37,5€) and managed to bring my balance up to around 3400 €.

i kept betting 18,75 € till i lost around 500 € and my balance showed something like 2900 €.

i knew i still had to wager a LOT (~35000€ more) and had to leave my house for a while and decided to give it 1000 autopsins on i believe 75 Cents on another Video Slot (3Reel Slots f.e. only counted 10 %).

When i got back i believe i did another one or two thousand autospins w. that bet size and then decided to gamble again betting between 2€ and 3,75€.

I remember i won ~1200 on one slot betting 3,75€ and my balance showed ~4400€ at one point.


However i kept wagering and wagering and hoping for the best (still always betting between 2€ and 3,75€) and my balance swong down to 3000 again and then back up to 3400 € (all pretty standard w. that bet sizes imo)



THEN i received an email from our friends at cash o lot blaming me a bonus abuser for betting 18,75€ and then betting 0,75 (remember i ve lost allready more than 2000€ at this point in this casino , never able to cash out) .

Also before som1 agrees w. them its super standard in most casinos that the allowed max. bets per spin/round is between 10 and 30 % of the Bonus value (wich would have been between 100 and 300 € in my case!) and as mentioned i did not even bet the maximum bet for the slot - the max. bet for this slot was capped by the casino at 37.5€ anyway and i agreed to the Term "Some Games have different max. bet limits while this bonnus is active..." when accepting the Bonus!

By then i allready wagered ~18700 € but still had ~ 19000€ to go - and it was sure not a a sure win allready (as i said before my balance swong 1000€ up and then down again easy betting 3,75€/spin)


I was steaming after that - i mean why do they put a cap on the max bets of all slots/video Poker/Blackjack if im not allowed to bet it or to switch bets like i want between 0 and max bet i mean its a casino and i want to gamble !

I mean i could understand if i bet 37,50€ wich would be the max bet but i choose to risk 18 € to gamble it up a little and could have also easily lost doing so (i do NOT believe that those few spins and the smallish win compared to bet size allready makes this bonus +EV)


Anyway after that they gave me 3 "options" (while writing this it makes me more and more upset since its crystal clear this casino does everything NOT to payout any winnings , either the yput insane wager requirments of up to 75 x D+B or if you win label you as bonus abuser , i really wonder what their deposit/payout ratio is maybe something like 90%/10% ??)

Anyway the 3 options where ridiculous:

option one: keep my current balance of 3400€ but the wager requirements would be 4x37500 now (lol!!!!!)
option two: End the promotion and start over again
option three: Continue playing the offer as it is right now (so still 19.000€ remaining to wager) but have my winnings capped at 1000€.


I thought about option 3 but after clarifiing if that means i can cashout a total of 1500€ (500€deposit+1000€ in winnnings) they said no they meant 1000 € total(so i could "win" my 500€ deposit + another 500€ if i was lucky enought to survive wageriing 19000€ with my balance of 3400€)


After that my decision was clear and also my view about Rival business practices got confirmed i told them that they should delete all winnings (2900€ - congratulations on your win again cash o lot!!) and only leave my 500€ deposit in my account so i can cash out my deposit wich i did.


I will NEVER ever deposit a single € to any RIVAL Casino again. Its enough for me. After getting ripped off at Dendera Casino for for betting more than 20 % on a single Slot while wagering (would have also been my first cashout after loosing 1000´s of €´s) and getting my winnings voided now this experience at Cash o lot (same thing i keep depositing thousands of € and when i could win they come up with something so i never be able to cash out - alltough in both cases i was far away from beeing a sure winner with all the wagering left!!)

I tried hard not to write this thread too emotional but inside i am steaming!



After Dendera Casino experience i told myself never to play at a Rival Casino again but made the mistake to try Casholot wich i deeply regret now (not only because of all the lost and not won money but also about all the hassle/stress with email arguments etc. etc. and also the wasted time !!)

So again my decision is crystal clear : RIVAL go f*** yourself - i lost over 5k€ to you guys in total and everytime i would have possibly won you screwed me out of my winnings!
In my opinion you guys are the worst in the whole casino industry and i will warn everyone to deposit a single € to any of your sites!

I agree that the bonus terms are unattractive; however, if these terms were stated in the written conditions when you took the bonus, then you aren't being treated unfairly - you are being treated just as every other customer who takes that bonus would be treated if they also violated the terms.

I'm sorry that you are upset about it, but on the other hand, these kinds of terms are precisely why I almost always decline to take them, even the juiciest ones, and play without them.