blackjack possible unfair game

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I suspect that in some online casinos the 10's in the blackjack have been replaced by other smaller cards(I am using the 7 red count system which starts from -16 and after many hands the count was 13, which is a little impossible). This gives the casino more advantage as everyone knows. Is there any way to be sure that this is not being happened?

Also i read that a guy in 888casino.com won 100,000 euros and they closed their account because they claimed that someone else was impersonating him. After that, the guy couldn't do anything to take his money because the laws in Gibraltar don't protect him. How can i be sure that this will not happen to me, if a well known casino like this do things like this?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my English!
 
I suspect that in some online casinos the 10's in the blackjack have been replaced by other smaller cards(I am using the 7 red count system which starts from -16 and after many hands the count was 13, which is a little impossible). This gives the casino more advantage as everyone knows. Is there any way to be sure that this is not being happened?

Also i read that a guy in 888casino.com won 100,000 euros and they closed their account because they claimed that someone else was impersonating him. After that, the guy couldn't do anything to take his money because the laws in Gibraltar don't protect him. How can i be sure that this will not happen to me, if a well known casino like this do things like this?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my English!

Just for clarification: Are you playing live blackjack? And is it single deck? And no continuous shuffle ('continuous shuffle' meaning discards are immediately returned to the shuffler)?

On your question of getting paid: If you are indeed the person who signed up for the account, have a single account, have been verified by the casino, and the casino is legit (accredited casinos strongly recommended - especially if you're a high roller), have played within the casino's terms and met any wagering requirements, you should have no problems getting paid.
 
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Live Blackjack

I play live blackjack and it is a 8-deck game without continuous shuffle.
As for my suspicions i have heard a lot about live blackjack. Some of the rumors are:

1) The live cam isn't actually live.
2) They shuffle the deck and even when you play.

In conclusion they can handle your winnings and they can deal you whatever they want.

I am not sure if they are unsubstantiated all of these rumors but in my experience they possible are, because in the begin i win very easy and after some games i lose my money in the same easy way where i won them.
 
Also i read that a guy in 888casino.com won 100,000 euros and they closed their account because they claimed that someone else was impersonating him. After that, the guy couldn't do anything to take his money because the laws in Gibraltar don't protect him. How can i be sure that this will not happen to me, if a well known casino like this do things like this?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my English!


8888's European dealers are from Evolution Gaming Malta Limited and they in turn are regulated by Alderney.

Can Evolution gaming be trusted? Some meister accredited casinos use them like paddypower and unibet. And with these ones unlike 888 you can use the PAB service if you experiance genuine foul play by the casino.

Personally I don't have any issues with Evo's live games, they seem fair to me. The one grumble I do have with live gaming is the "error, your bet was not accepted" and sometimes it can cost you your game survival. Doesn't happen often, but when it does it put's you off playing again for a while.
 
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I noticed it too the other day. I was playing live at betanysports.com They sent me a free NBD in the mail. I was able at one point, to bring my balance to over $400 with $800 in wager left. Then all hell broke loose. I couldn't win a hand to save my life. My feed kept being slow. I had to keep closing my browser and log back in. Even rebooted my computer. Still same effect, I switch tables same losing streak. I goto baccarat I bet on player - dealers wins. I bet on dealer - player wins. It was like a rug was pulled from under me. Went to roulette bet on red - black and vice versa. I cover 1/3 of the board. 0 would come. I decided I just wasnt going to win no matter what. Luckily I didnt deposit it there... I just shock my head. As I had the same feeling as you. Its no telling what goes on behind the scene.
 
So, is there any way to be sure that live blackjack is fair?How can i choose a fair online casino? I wonder if it would be better not to play in live blackjack but the application bj.
 
So, is there any way to be sure that live blackjack is fair?How can i choose a fair online casino? I wonder if it would be better not to play in live blackjack but the application bj.

Hello Alani,

Most regulated operators if not all, have a fair live blackjack. The live BJ has been tested and approved by the appropriate authorities, i guess on regular intervals, so i feel pretty safe with them.

I would suggest you only go for the CM accredited operators as these are the ones that are fair and most responsive to players and will try to resolve any issue you may have if the situation arises.

I personally play both live and the application. Only difference for me, is that the application BJ is faster. So more hands, more chances of winning.:)

Kind Regards
Constantine
 
I have mentioned in the past, the 'Unlimited' blackjack offered at playtech's appears to present an easy opportunity for the casino to cheat, because you have no idea how many other players there really are, and the deck could easily be stacked in such a way that regardless of what you choose to do, you will lose most hands... but to be fair I probably have not played enough of it to suspect it is actually happening, I'm just saying that it is theoretically very possible... and the fact the shoes are brought to the table pre-shuffled, then the number of burns is decided by the top card on the shoe etc... it COULD be a real big rip off... !
 
I have mentioned in the past, the 'Unlimited' blackjack offered at playtech's appears to present an easy opportunity for the casino to cheat, because you have no idea how many other players there really are, and the deck could easily be stacked in such a way that regardless of what you choose to do, you will lose most hands... but to be fair I probably have not played enough of it to suspect it is actually happening, I'm just saying that it is theoretically very possible... and the fact the shoes are brought to the table pre-shuffled, then the number of burns is decided by the top card on the shoe etc... it COULD be a real big rip off... !

By the same token, there could be invisible aliens on the moon who spend their entire time laughing and giggling as they rig online card games.....it is theoretically possible, but to be fair I haven't seen enough of them :D
 
I have mentioned in the past, the 'Unlimited' blackjack offered at playtech's appears to present an easy opportunity for the casino to cheat, because you have no idea how many other players there really are, and the deck could easily be stacked in such a way that regardless of what you choose to do, you will lose most hands... but to be fair I probably have not played enough of it to suspect it is actually happening, I'm just saying that it is theoretically very possible... and the fact the shoes are brought to the table pre-shuffled, then the number of burns is decided by the top card on the shoe etc... it COULD be a real big rip off... !

The thing is, it is a very hard game to simulate using a computer programme. I only ever played online BJ once and then played about 50 hands. In that time it struck me about how impossibly lucky the dealer was, and how different it was to physical BJ. The online games will run pretty much like slots, with peaks and troughs in RTP which are far more pronounced than even a card-counter would see with an 8-deck shoe in a LB casino. The variance on a supposedly 98.2% game with a low house edge should be pretty low, but on the computer BJ it seems much higher than would be achieved naturally. This is what makes players scream 'RIGGED' as indeed I did once all those years back. I simply couldn't believe the massively favourable odds the dealer was enjoying, so much so that my wish wasn't to win the lottery, but to obtain a pack of 'magic cards' that the house obviously had......:)
 
I play a lot BJ, online mostly PT and landbased in the Casino Baden. Over the years I can say that there is no difference. I also thought that I lose more online. But in my opinion it is the time factor that made me think this way. You lose 10 times quicker online, that`s all. But there is really no difference in winnings/loses.
 
The thing is, it is a very hard game to simulate using a computer programme. I only ever played online BJ once and then played about 50 hands. In that time it struck me about how impossibly lucky the dealer was, and how different it was to physical BJ. The online games will run pretty much like slots, with peaks and troughs in RTP which are far more pronounced than even a card-counter would see with an 8-deck shoe in a LB casino. The variance on a supposedly 98.2% game with a low house edge should be pretty low, but on the computer BJ it seems much higher than would be achieved naturally. This is what makes players scream 'RIGGED' as indeed I did once all those years back. I simply couldn't believe the massively favourable odds the dealer was enjoying, so much so that my wish wasn't to win the lottery, but to obtain a pack of 'magic cards' that the house obviously had......:)

Random is random - something can't be more or less random. Online blackjack will have the same peaks and troughs as landbased blackjack, but maybe your perception could get skewed because of the much higher frequency of hands dealt online?

The human "ability" to see patterns where there are non is well documented, as a matter of fact it is large contributor to problem gambling. A very interesting take on it can be read here:
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Edit: BTW, this is a cognitive bias called the Clustering illusion - I am sure it must have been discussed to death on here.

And if you really want to read about randomness in every day life, and as applied to the markets, I would highly suggest Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (The same guy who wrote The black swan). It is quite an eye opener as it examines the psychological aspect of how we perceive randomness and our ability to influence it - and the results of that.
 
Random is random - something can't be more or less random. Online blackjack will have the same peaks and troughs as landbased blackjack, but maybe your perception could get skewed because of the much higher frequency of hands dealt online?

The human "ability" to see patterns where there are non is well documented, as a matter of fact it is large contributor to problem gambling. A very interesting take on it can be read here:
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And if you really want to read about randomness in every day life, and as applied to the markets, I would highly suggest Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (The same guy who wrote The black swan). It is quite an eye opener as it examines the psychological aspect of how we perceive randomness and our ability to influence it - and the results of that.

Yes it can. Otherwise casinos would not ban card counters....:D
 
With all due respect, that is not about randomness, but probability distribution.

True randomness in programmes requires infinite expansion of the information space. You do not have this characteristic in online games programmes. Even less so in a physical shoe of cards. You seem to confuse this with predictability. Because online slots use a describable mechanism to generate results, they are in fact pseudorandom which can only ever equal true randomness but in our world rarely does. Therefore you have 2 distinct degrees of randomness.
 
Let me start by apologizing, I'm finding it a bit hard to parse this post.

True randomness in programmes requires infinite expansion of the information space. You do not have this characteristic in online games programmes. Even less so in a physical shoe of cards. You seem to confuse this with predictability.

Agreed, neither has an infinite information space. I'm am not sure what this has to do with the argument.

Because online slots use a describable mechanism to generate results, they are in fact pseudorandom which can only ever equal true randomness but in our world rarely does. Therefore you have 2 distinct degrees of randomness.

Again, I will agree that online slots use PRNG's, but I will also argue that the periodicity of these are so large, that for all practical purposes we mere mortals cannot distinguish the results from a truly random stream.

Lets suppose we have a single deck of shuffled (truly random) cards.

If you draw one card, the deck is still truly random, but as you now know what one of the cards is, the possible information states have changed - the probability of the deck being arranged in a certain way has changed (it certainly can't contain any sequences that contains that card).

Even down to the last two cards, they are still in a truly random sequence. You have no way of telling what the next card drawn will be. BUT: you might know that the probability of the next card drawn being a high card might be 100% (or 0%, or anywhere in between, depending on the previous 50 cards).

And now I think I have totally lost the thread of this conversation and there is a higher probability than before that people will just sigh and roll their eyes :)
 
Let me start by apologizing, I'm finding it a bit hard to parse this post.



Agreed, neither has an infinite information space. I'm am not sure what this has to do with the argument.



Again, I will agree that online slots use PRNG's, but I will also argue that the periodicity of these are so large, that for all practical purposes we mere mortals cannot distinguish the results from a truly random stream.

Lets suppose we have a single deck of shuffled (truly random) cards.

If you draw one card, the deck is still truly random, but as you now know what one of the cards is, the possible information states have changed - the probability of the deck being arranged in a certain way has changed (it certainly can't contain any sequences that contains that card).

Even down to the last two cards, they are still in a truly random sequence. You have no way of telling what the next card drawn will be. BUT: you might know that the probability of the next card drawn being a high card might be 100% (or 0%, or anywhere in between, depending on the previous 50 cards).

And now I think I have totally lost the thread of this conversation and there is a higher probability than before that people will just sigh and roll their eyes :)

:D:D:lolup:
 
BJ is of course as unfair as any other game you can play in a casino. In a long term you lose, point.
I tried all sorts of playing, high rolling, low rolling, at the end I lost money. And everyone here will have the same experience.
Try to play clever, if you have 50, play 0.20 a spin and you have a long gametime. If you play BJ, and you have 100, your average bet should not be more than 2. If you are lucky you win, if not then you lose. That`s the game.
It`s not magic, it`s gambling.
 
I play a fair amount of Blackjack and my experiences at playing online live blackjack mirror my experiences of playing in land based casinos. You have good runs and bad runs and certainly in land based I've mixed it up a bit and played single deck and 6 deck. My luck always seems to be the same. The trick I've always found is to recognize when the shoe is not for you and walk away and find another deck. The beauty with online live is that you can watch what is going on and some of the suppliers of the games provide you with details of the last hands the dealers and players have had so you can determine how the shoe is playing. You don't get that at land based games.

I'm a recreational player, not into card counting and the such. I play for enjoyment and expect to win sometimes and lose others, that's what gambling is all about. If it was something else it would be called something different.

Rumors are rumors until they have been substantiated. I'm not aware of any Live dealer studios that have been found to be fixing games, if there have been i'd like to know about it.

At the end the day loads of factors affect your decisions about where and how to play. Some have already been discussed in this thread. If you believe games are fixed then don't play them until you can prove to yourself otherwise. I haven't experienced anything other than rub of the green of bad luck, and yes the dealer always seems to draw a 6 when he's on 15 and everyone else has 20 / 21. That's blackjack! Happy playing:)
 
I play a fair amount of Blackjack and my experiences at playing online live blackjack mirror my experiences of playing in land based casinos. You have good runs and bad runs and certainly in land based I've mixed it up a bit and played single deck and 6 deck. My luck always seems to be the same. The trick I've always found is to recognize when the shoe is not for you and walk away and find another deck. The beauty with online live is that you can watch what is going on and some of the suppliers of the games provide you with details of the last hands the dealers and players have had so you can determine how the shoe is playing. You don't get that at land based games.

I'm a recreational player, not into card counting and the such. I play for enjoyment and expect to win sometimes and lose others, that's what gambling is all about. If it was something else it would be called something different.

Rumors are rumors until they have been substantiated. I'm not aware of any Live dealer studios that have been found to be fixing games, if there have been i'd like to know about it.

At the end the day loads of factors affect your decisions about where and how to play. Some have already been discussed in this thread. If you believe games are fixed then don't play them until you can prove to yourself otherwise. I haven't experienced anything other than rub of the green of bad luck, and yes the dealer always seems to draw a 6 when he's on 15 and everyone else has 20 / 21. That's blackjack! Happy playing:)

Very true, I don't believe it is rigged by live dealer at all, or via programmed BJ games. I just believe the programmed ones are a poor resemblance of the real live game, hence haven't played them since, in years.
 
Has anyone here ever played on BET365 ? If you play Blackjack there you will regret if you count cards, because you cant even count cards, They use a 6 deck i think, or 4 decks, but you can see which card was served to the seat beside you, they blurr it , Also before they play any new shoe, they remove the first card and if its a 10, they remove 10 other cards from the deck faced down before they play the deck at all, so if you want to count cards, you dont know the value of the first 10 cards they removed already.
I am deleting my account there anyway
 
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