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    7Sultans Owe me £12k - Anyone Know Good Lawyer in Malta?

    So I hit the top payout on the Loaded slot at 7Sultans after signing up and got a £12k win! Great!? No! They are refusing to pay me on the most absurd reason I have ever heard. They have said I am linked to 40+ players and they won't pay until all these players send in their ID.

    Linked how? I have no idea, maybe I played a popular game? But they are saying I know them. I can tell you for sure no one else in my house has used my PC.

    I have told them these other players are nothing to do with me, and have explained that the only way I could chase up these people to send their ID would be if I knew them, and was guilty of what they were saying. If I don't know them, then I can't do anything about it, only send my ID.
    So their logic is majorly flawed there, I can only do anything about it if I am guilty of the accusation, and nothing if I am innocent.

    The other possibility is that they are saying all these other people are fake people. But why would I bother doing that, if I knew I couldn't be paid because I didn't have their ID?

    I have asked them for the names/emails of these people so I can chase them up personally, but they won't tell me that either.. Again, more flawed logic. Why not give me this info if they are saying I know them?


    Anyway, I was advised to complain at Gambling Grumbles, which I done here - http://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/Repo...2-more-players but got no luck.

    I've been in touch with a lawyer in Malta to take these crooks to court, but I'm not 100% happy with him as he doesn't seem to fully understand how online casinos work.

    I was told there's quite a few gamblers in this forum, so wondered if any of you guys had used anyone decent in Malta? I've tried every possible reasoning with the casino and now I have no choice but to take this to court, which is stupid, but the only option left.



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    Well 7Sultans have been around forever and are one of the most respected operators you will find.

    In my experience, they would only do this kind of thing if they were VERY sure that fraud is involved.

    My experience also tells me that you probably aren't telling us everything, but I'm happy to stand corrected.

    In the meantime, while I go and get some fresh popcorn and a choc-top, go to the link below to submit a complaint:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/problems.php

    NOTE - The PAB process will involve the casino giving ALL the evidence they have to the complaints manager Max. Hence you should consider carefully before proceeding.



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    I think the advice to PAB is good advice.

    Don't be deceitful, it won't serve you well.

    7Sultans and Fortune Lounge is a pretty upstanding group.

    IP addresses can be shared for several reasons, beyond coming from the same household. Fortune Lounge will cooperate with Maxd (the PAB manager) on this issue.

    Don't post further, it can jeopardize your chance at a a fair hearing. I''m almost certain you will get a fair hearing here, and it is FREE. Donations to charity are always appreciated if you are successful however.



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    Quote Originally Posted by turkishcem View Post
    So I hit the top payout on the Loaded slot at 7Sultans after signing up and got a £12k win! Great!? No! They are refusing to pay me on the most absurd reason I have ever heard. They have said I am linked to 40+ players and they won't pay until all these players send in their ID.

    Linked how? I have no idea, maybe I played a popular game? But they are saying I know them. I can tell you for sure no one else in my house has used my PC.

    I have told them these other players are nothing to do with me, and have explained that the only way I could chase up these people to send their ID would be if I knew them, and was guilty of what they were saying. If I don't know them, then I can't do anything about it, only send my ID.
    So their logic is majorly flawed there, I can only do anything about it if I am guilty of the accusation, and nothing if I am innocent.

    The other possibility is that they are saying all these other people are fake people. But why would I bother doing that, if I knew I couldn't be paid because I didn't have their ID?

    I have asked them for the names/emails of these people so I can chase them up personally, but they won't tell me that either.. Again, more flawed logic. Why not give me this info if they are saying I know them?


    Anyway, I was advised to complain at Gambling Grumbles, which I done here - http://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/Repo...2-more-players but got no luck.

    I've been in touch with a lawyer in Malta to take these crooks to court, but I'm not 100% happy with him as he doesn't seem to fully understand how online casinos work.

    I was told there's quite a few gamblers in this forum, so wondered if any of you guys had used anyone decent in Malta? I've tried every possible reasoning with the casino and now I have no choice but to take this to court, which is stupid, but the only option left.
    Quick question. Just how many people are in your house? Is it like a flatting situation or whatnot? How many people have used your broadband? Its not whether they use your computer, its whether accounts have been made all from the same ISP. Any chance that someone maybe hacking into your wireless and creating accounts? There is a golden rule that the majority of casinos have. One account per household. Perhaps that's the problem?



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    Quote Originally Posted by turkishcem View Post
    So I hit the top payout on the Loaded slot at 7Sultans after signing up and got a £12k win! Great!? No! They are refusing to pay me on the most absurd reason I have ever heard. They have said I am linked to 40+ players and they won't pay until all these players send in their ID.
    That doesn't sound altogether absurd. Certainly people do setup multiple accounts at online casinos.

    Linked how? I have no idea, maybe I played a popular game? But they are saying I know them. I can tell you for sure no one else in my house has used my PC.
    You've just signed up at CM for the first time today. Your word is worth very little, certainly rather less than that of 7Sultans.

    I have told them these other players are nothing to do with me, and have explained that the only way I could chase up these people to send their ID would be if I knew them, and was guilty of what they were saying. If I don't know them, then I can't do anything about it, only send my ID.
    Mmm, I think the way this is supposed to go is that you submit a complaint to the LGA, 7Sultans sends Malta evidence of your multiple accounts, and then they say 'sorry, no pay'.

    Actually this will happen whether the 7Sultans send real evidence or not, IMO, the LGA are useless. But you can try, and wait a year or so while they

    So their logic is majorly flawed there, I can only do anything about it if I am guilty of the accusation, and nothing if I am innocent.
    Well yes, certainly all these busted players have no reason to submit ID, if they (you!) are innocent they would quite rightly tell 7Sultans to piss off. And if they do submit ID, then that's suspicious because these are busted players. So a difficult situation for you, no doubt.

    The other possibility is that they are saying all these other people are fake people. But why would I bother doing that, if I knew I couldn't be paid because I didn't have their ID?
    Fake ID?

    I have asked them for the names/emails of these people so I can chase them up personally, but they won't tell me that either.. Again, more flawed logic. Why not give me this info if they are saying I know them?

    Anyway, I was advised to complain at Gambling Grumbles, which I done here - http://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/Repo...2-more-players but got no luck.

    I've been in touch with a lawyer in Malta to take these crooks to court, but I'm not 100% happy with him as he doesn't seem to fully understand how online casinos work.
    Yeah, good luck with that one.

    I was told there's quite a few gamblers in this forum, so wondered if any of you guys had used anyone decent in Malta? I've tried every possible reasoning with the casino and now I have no choice but to take this to court, which is stupid, but the only option left.
    I don't think that's really an option. I mean you can try it, sure, but it's not cost-effective.

    A competent lawyer is going to run about €200/hour, they will want copies of all correspondence from 7Sultans, so it's going to cost €1,000 just to send them a threatening letter. To actually institute proceedings and go to court would I guess cost far more than your £12k win.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitybitez View Post
    Quick question. Just how many people are in your house? Is it like a flatting situation or whatnot? How many people have used your broadband? Its not whether they use your computer, its whether accounts have been made all from the same ISP. Any chance that someone maybe hacking into your wireless and creating accounts? There is a golden rule that the majority of casinos have. One account per household. Perhaps that's the problem?
    Just me and my girlfriend. She doesn't gamble. No one else would be able to log into my wireless, as it's password protected. But 42 people? It's stupid. Why would I sign up that many people to get their bonus? There's 100's of sites where I can get a bonus by myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by thelawnet View Post
    Well yes, certainly all these busted players have no reason to submit ID, if they (you!) are innocent they would quite rightly tell 7Sultans to piss off. And if they do submit ID, then that's suspicious because these are busted players. So a difficult situation for you, no doubt.
    Well they said they have emailed them asking for ID, and will pay me once they receive it. I could only recitify this problem if I did actually know them. And if they are fake people, why would I sign them up knowing I wouldn't get paid? See how majorly flawed this is?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelawnet View Post
    I don't think that's really an option. I mean you can try it, sure, but it's not cost-effective.

    A competent lawyer is going to run about €200/hour, they will want copies of all correspondence from 7Sultans, so it's going to cost €1,000 just to send them a threatening letter. To actually institute proceedings and go to court would I guess cost far more than your £12k win.

    Really? Not according to my research... Has anyone in the forum got experience of this?


    Don't see much point in doing the PAB thing.. isn't it the same as Gambling Grumbles? 7Sultans are just going to say the same thing.

    Also, is this group really reputable? Has anyone here been paid out on a big win like this before?



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    Don't see much point in doing the PAB thing..

    ...and there we have it folks.

    Any innocent player who had been "ripped off" with no idea why would be trying every possible avenue to get their winnings.

    I'm sure the OP also knows that gamgrumbles will not be provided with sensitive information by the casino to prove the fraud, as gamgrumbs refuses to consider anything in it's decision if it cannot be shared openly with everyone.

    I challenge you turkishcem.......submit a PAB. After all, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose, because it is absolutely free!



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    I think the ONLY recourse you have is to do the PAB. Afterall from what you've posted, the casino is not going to give you that money just because you are posting on different forums.

    If you are legit......then PAB, otherwise you are SOL.



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    Quote Originally Posted by turkishcem View Post
    Just me and my girlfriend. She doesn't gamble. No one else would be able to log into my wireless, as it's password protected. But 42 people? It's stupid. Why would I sign up that many people to get their bonus? There's 100's of sites where I can get a bonus by myself.



    Well they said they have emailed them asking for ID, and will pay me once they receive it. I could only recitify this problem if I did actually know them. And if they are fake people, why would I sign them up knowing I wouldn't get paid? See how majorly flawed this is?




    Really? Not according to my research... Has anyone in the forum got experience of this?


    Don't see much point in doing the PAB thing.. isn't it the same as Gambling Grumbles? 7Sultans are just going to say the same thing.

    Also, is this group really reputable? Has anyone here been paid out on a big win like this before?
    yes i have been paid by one of their sister site a little over 12,000 they are a very good group and i miss playing there.

    but if you don,t want to do a PAB then maybe you are hiding something? jmho.

    maxd can get it all worked out for you this is the best site to have that done at.

    its up to you if you have nothing to hide then you need to PAB and then say nothing more on here until its done if not then it kind of makes one belive that the casino is right. we have seen stranger things then that here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifty29 View Post
    ...and there we have it folks.

    Any innocent player who had been "ripped off" with no idea why would be trying every possible avenue to get their winnings.

    I'm sure the OP also knows that gamgrumbles will not be provided with sensitive information by the casino to prove the fraud, as gamgrumbs refuses to consider anything in it's decision if it cannot be shared openly with everyone.

    I challenge you turkishcem.......submit a PAB. After all, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose, because it is absolutely free!
    I strongly urge to you PAB. Casinomeister and Fortune Lounge have a relationship that Gambling Grudges and Fortune Lounge do not. A failed PAB will not prohibit you from taking legal action if it doesn't go your way.

    Please read all the rules before submitting a PAB.



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