Serious Bug Discovered

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I have accidentally discovered a bug that would seem to affect almost every Online Casino and allows you to instantly bypass wager requirements for any type of % bonus. I do not wish to post any details until I am given advice from a Moderator if this is allowed to be posted.

Would appreciate some contact. Cheers.

- T
 
Interesting. I'm guessing this bug would somehow "cover-up" logs/playcheck because this is the first thing that casino's check before paying the client (i.e. what games they have played and wager size) :)
 
I do not wish to post any details until I am given advice from a Moderator if this is allowed to be posted.

Define "any details". If you want to talk about it in general terms -- what the thing is, what is vulnerable, etc -- then I see no problem. If you want to say "send me $xxx and I'll tell you my secrets" please don't bother. Simples, no? :)
 
I have accidentally discovered a bug that would seem to affect almost every Online Casino and allows you to instantly bypass wager requirements for any type of % bonus. I do not wish to post any details until I am given advice from a Moderator if this is allowed to be posted.

Would appreciate some contact. Cheers.

- T

A bug wouldn't effect every online casino. Every online casino doesn't use the same software.

Besides, instantly bypassing the wage requirements means you're also instantly bypassing the terms and conditions. The only way to bypass the terms and conditions on a bonus is to bypass the bonus.

What you're basically saying is "I know a way to cheat the casino."

Not the best idea if you plan on getting paid.
 
Could be a joke? As Skiny said the only way to beat a bonus is to not have one in the first place. If OP found a bug pertaining to a specific software then the best advice would be to bring it to the attention of the software provider. That is what I would do anyway.
 
I have accidentally discovered a bug that would seem to affect almost every Online Casino and allows you to instantly bypass wager requirements for any type of % bonus. I do not wish to post any details until I am given advice from a Moderator if this is allowed to be posted.

Would appreciate some contact. Cheers.

- T

You can always PM it to me or Max and we can advise the best course based on that if you like.

Cheers

Simmo!
 
The casinos know about many of the "exploits" available in their software, and actively audit logs for signs that they have been employed. It's possible that you have just discovered something that is old news over at the advantage player forums, and which no longer fools the casinos.

Many such problems have been discussed here, and one problem, the persistent carry over of WR in a Microgaming casino when a player busts out, was a botched attempt by MGS to fix one such class of exploit that made it fairly easy for advantage players to bypass WR by deliberately leaving "a game in play" whilst having a balance of zero. Almost all operators are fully aware of the class of exploit, and look for signs of it's use when auditing player accounts for "irregular play". The exploit class was considered one of the best by advantage players because the withdrawal was made from a deposit without claiming any bonus, and operators tended to pay less attention to auditing such sessions because they were looking for "bonus abuse" when a bonus was in play.

If it's this exploit, I'll swap you the Payrise fruity emptier for it, it's just as obsolete:)
 
Define "any details". If you want to talk about it in general terms -- what the thing is, what is vulnerable, etc -- then I see no problem. If you want to say "send me $xxx and I'll tell you my secrets" please don't bother. Simples, no? :)

I will explain as best I can...

I recently took a 200% bonus offer at a well known Casino. Deposited £50 and they gave me £150 to play with on a 25x wager. I had £2500 worth of bets to complete before the bonus balance would move over to cash. I started out fairly well playing Avalon at 60p bets, but after around 40 minutes I got the "Forest Falls" bonus with trailing wilds and the game completely froze. Tried refreshing and it wouldn't load. It was late and the support was offline so I decided to move onto Siberian Storm with the rest of my cash. I had around £200 remaining at this point.

Siberian Storm, and a selection of other IGT games were up and down over the next hour but my balance ended up trickling away. Once my balance reached £0 the bonus wager I had was set as complete. I wondered what would happen to my Avalon 2 bonus and to my surprise when it finally loaded the £76 bonus went directly into my cash balance and was with-drawable, effectively bypassing the wager requirement that the bonus was earned under.

I do believe that with a close review of the play logs this could be discovered, however I also believe a user could very easily hide this method by depositing again after a wager was "complete" and unless a review covered every single individual wager and at what point a bonus was received and then played I think it could easily be missed as it does not involve high or unusual bets.

The scale at which this could be abused, especially considering the larger % bonuses that carry tough wager requirements is huge. As far as I am aware, information regarding a pending bonus is held on the side of the software operator and not the casino so I would expect this bug to affect many Casinos, although nothing beyond what I accidentally discovered has been tested in any way.

Let me know if you have any queries and I will answer as best I can.

- T
 
I will explain as best I can...

I recently took a 200% bonus offer at a well known Casino. Deposited £50 and they gave me £150 to play with on a 25x wager. I had £2500 worth of bets to complete before the bonus balance would move over to cash. I started out fairly well playing Avalon at 60p bets, but after around 40 minutes I got the "Forest Falls" bonus with trailing wilds and the game completely froze. Tried refreshing and it wouldn't load. It was late and the support was offline so I decided to move onto Siberian Storm with the rest of my cash. I had around £200 remaining at this point.

Siberian Storm, and a selection of other IGT games were up and down over the next hour but my balance ended up trickling away. Once my balance reached £0 the bonus wager I had was set as complete. I wondered what would happen to my Avalon 2 bonus and to my surprise when it finally loaded the £76 bonus went directly into my cash balance and was with-drawable, effectively bypassing the wager requirement that the bonus was earned under.

I do believe that with a close review of the play logs this could be discovered, however I also believe a user could very easily hide this method by depositing again after a wager was "complete" and unless a review covered every single individual wager and at what point a bonus was received and then played I think it could easily be missed as it does not involve high or unusual bets.

The scale at which this could be abused, especially considering the larger % bonuses that carry tough wager requirements is huge. As far as I am aware, information regarding a pending bonus is held on the side of the software operator and not the casino so I would expect this bug to affect many Casinos, although nothing beyond what I accidentally discovered has been tested in any way.

Let me know if you have any queries and I will answer as best I can.

- T

I understand totally how that would happen - good work! :thumbsup:
 
Wasn't there a thread about this a little while ago where a player was doing this on a much larger scale and on purpose? It seems familiar.

Without giving a lot away there are systems in place (well at least the places I have worked) to flag certain activity and as you mention there are the game logs and player logs that would show anything sort of unusual going on but as some things require human interaction it is most of the time impossible to catch everything.

Interesting post, thanks a lot for sharing.

Ben
 
Wasn't there a thread about this a little while ago where a player was doing this on a much larger scale and on purpose? It seems familiar.

Without giving a lot away there are systems in place (well at least the places I have worked) to flag certain activity and as you mention there are the game logs and player logs that would show anything sort of unusual going on but as some things require human interaction it is most of the time impossible to catch everything.

Interesting post, thanks a lot for sharing.

Ben

I think it was Simmo! that mentioned once that, if he was bored, he'd leave a few slots at the MG download casino with features ready to go (I.e leave the software as soon as three scatters hit) so that you could have a nice start to your next session. That's going back ages though. Didn't think about the bonus implications...
 
I will explain as best I can...

I recently took a 200% bonus offer at a well known Casino. Deposited £50 and they gave me £150 to play with on a 25x wager. I had £2500 worth of bets to complete before the bonus balance would move over to cash. I started out fairly well playing Avalon at 60p bets, but after around 40 minutes I got the "Forest Falls" bonus with trailing wilds and the game completely froze. Tried refreshing and it wouldn't load. It was late and the support was offline so I decided to move onto Siberian Storm with the rest of my cash. I had around £200 remaining at this point.

Siberian Storm, and a selection of other IGT games were up and down over the next hour but my balance ended up trickling away. Once my balance reached £0 the bonus wager I had was set as complete. I wondered what would happen to my Avalon 2 bonus and to my surprise when it finally loaded the £76 bonus went directly into my cash balance and was with-drawable, effectively bypassing the wager requirement that the bonus was earned under.

I do believe that with a close review of the play logs this could be discovered, however I also believe a user could very easily hide this method by depositing again after a wager was "complete" and unless a review covered every single individual wager and at what point a bonus was received and then played I think it could easily be missed as it does not involve high or unusual bets.

The scale at which this could be abused, especially considering the larger % bonuses that carry tough wager requirements is huge. As far as I am aware, information regarding a pending bonus is held on the side of the software operator and not the casino so I would expect this bug to affect many Casinos, although nothing beyond what I accidentally discovered has been tested in any way.

Let me know if you have any queries and I will answer as best I can.

- T

Happen to me about a year back, except I was on my last spin and as I o out it wiped the bonus clean, Surely that cannot be a bonus abuse if that accrues but verry rare you hit feature on last spin anyhows :(

Saying that in a lot of terms now it states about this rule, Leaving games in play why bonus active, I just read it other day I forgot where now, Also alot of bingo sites that have MG only alow you to have 1 game open
 
Wasn't there a thread about this a little while ago where a player was doing this on a much larger scale and on purpose? It seems familiar.

Without giving a lot away there are systems in place (well at least the places I have worked) to flag certain activity and as you mention there are the game logs and player logs that would show anything sort of unusual going on but as some things require human interaction it is most of the time impossible to catch everything.

Interesting post, thanks a lot for sharing.

Ben

I imagine the software provider fires back some variables when a bonus is hit and played. Would it not be possible for the casino to store these details on the their side, so when the update to a wager is done it can also check to see if there are any unplayed bonuses pending and if so do not complete the wager?

Seems like something that could be manageable and would wipe out the requirement for human eyes missing things.

- T
 
I think it was Simmo! that mentioned once that, if he was bored, he'd leave a few slots at the MG download casino with features ready to go (I.e leave the software as soon as three scatters hit) so that you could have a nice start to your next session. That's going back ages though. Didn't think about the bonus implications...

Hmm, 100% sure it wasn't Simmo. It was related to completing wagering on a bonus. I am trying to search for it but terrible at that sort of thing. Back to the meister search :)
 
Hmm, 100% sure it wasn't Simmo. It was related to completing wagering on a bonus. I am trying to search for it but terrible at that sort of thing. Back to the meister search :)

Sorry, not in relation to the bonus thing, I'm talking years ago - just as a general thing. He'd do it for a laugh. Log in a few days later and you've got three or four free spin bonuses to have a crack at.
 
Maybe it works on avalon2 at moment but sure that will soon get fixed now lol but don't think it will work on most MG games. Years ago it used to but casinos got wise. If you now play say fat lady sings and kathmandu with bonus money then leave the games at bonus round and play other games and zero account once you make a fresh deposit and go back to them the winnings go into bonus balance again. Its a very old trick the casinos have long since discovered
 
Maybe it works on avalon2 at moment but sure that will soon get fixed now lol but don't think it will work on most MG games. Years ago it used to but casinos got wise. If you now play say fat lady sings and kathmandu with bonus money then leave the games at bonus round and play other games and zero account once you make a fresh deposit and go back to them the winnings go into bonus balance again. Its a very old trick the casinos have long since discovered

I doubt the bug relates to the specific game (Avalon II). I think it would be an internal check that was done by the casino, which would check to see if any wager requirement was active, and if not, the winnings would be pushed to a cash balance.

This was a large and reputable group that the above occurred at. I figure if it is open to abuse here, then many other establishments would be open to the same issue.

- T
 
This has been exploited for years but as has been mentioned they have wised up to it and account for the bet that triggers the bonus round, not at all casinos though. Also slots like Scrooge where you build to the freespins and know when they'll trigger are open to abuse, build to 24 days with bonus funds then close the game and come back afterwards. More risky but still do-able is batman where you can pull out before the free spins trigger, as you still don't know when they will trigger you have to choose the spins and multiplier you are happy with and hope you don't get them too soon.
 
This happened to me a couple of weeks ago on Avalon II, my download session got disconnected mid spin so I logged back on and played another game. I went back to the game last week and it was in the bonus round (had no idea bonus round had hit previously since I was disconnected from my session and didn't see the spin results). Some days on download 32Red casino you can get disconnected several times. It has never happened to me on any other slots.
 
It may be that it's just that game....or it's possible that your funds went into real money play because you were disconnected by the server - I doubt the same thing would happen if you left the game voluntarily when the bonus triggered. I suppose someone could test it on that game and see what happens.

A couple of times I've deposited without a bonus and once I won something, part of my $ went to bonus funds, then in asking why I found out that I had a game still in play from when I was playing with a bonus. Once it was from Wealth Spa, I'd been playing it and wasn't winning and the game was laggy and I left after the first two reels dropped and I could see I didn't win anything - but the bonus coin is on the last reel and it hit and I didn't realize.
 
that's pretty old. Many casinos even have terms against such actions, e.g.

4.1.The player's use of any of the Casino bonuses is subject to our review for irregular playing patterns. To ensure fair gaming and the proper use of bonuses, we consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses. Further examples of irregular playing patterns also include, but are not limited to:

(iv) postponing free spins feature or bonus feature to a later time in which you have no more wagering and/or making a new deposit while having free spins feature or bonus feature still available to you.

gowildcasino.com/bonus-terms.html

or

29.6 Delaying any game round in any game, including free spins features and bonus features, to a later time when you have no more wagering requirement and/or performing new deposit(s) while having free spins features or bonus features still available is prohibited. Players doing so agree to have their bonus and any winnings on the account void.

nextcasino.com/TermsConditions


Approximately 10% of casino terms I processed for my site contain an explicit term like this, another 40% mention it implicitly (by that I do NOT mean the universal gotcha clause). And I am pretty sure that among the remaining 50% most won't let you get away with it
 
I think it was Simmo! that mentioned once that, if he was bored, he'd leave a few slots at the MG download casino with features ready to go (I.e leave the software as soon as three scatters hit) so that you could have a nice start to your next session. That's going back ages though. Didn't think about the bonus implications...

Hmm, 100% sure it wasn't Simmo. It was related to completing wagering on a bonus. I am trying to search for it but terrible at that sort of thing. Back to the meister search :)

You are both right I think. It's a Microgaming thing which was fun but was once exploited and I think the loophole was closed in T&C's by some (if not all) casinos.
 

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