NetEnt and their New Slot Design

[Nate]

I figure that instead of ranting in 5 other threads about how bad NetEnts new Slots are - Id start a thread on the subject.

So I have been an avid player of the software over the years. Not the best paying software until you find a style that suites you and learn the variance of their games. There were days Id rant to Ben (when he was still at Nordicbet) and complain of the sessions I had. Being a predominantly MG player prior to that, I wasn't used to NetEnt at the time.

I had bad sessions all over and even asked Ben to analyse my stats on DOA as I thought that something may have been wrong. Kudos to Ben - The calmest guy in the building - He always assured me that all was OK.

I basically learned that DOA was NOT BDBA and the variance I was seeing was because of the HUGE hits in the paytable. Fast forward a few years and its the Slot I play most. I found out through huge losses and playing bets up to $7.20 a spin. Today - DOA is my favourite Slot, I understand its variance and I have recorded my biggest wins on this slot.

Since the introduction of Starburst NetEnt have been evolving their games in my personal opinion to the detriment of their players. I see MG and I know what to expect from IR, TFROL (Crap Slot), Playboy and recently Avalon II.

With NetEnt - They decided to go the route of lots of blanks spins and bunches that pay 1x - 5x your bet. On the odd occasion you may see that hit you desire, but that's most of the time impossible.

When we look back at the Slots in the mould of Space Wars, Thief, Muse, Reel Rush, Magic Portals, CFTBL, TwinSpin, Secret of the Stones, Big Bang, Wonky Wabbits and others Its clear to see that a new type of game engine or design is now on the Agenda at Net Entertainment.

Slots tend to be designed differently and as a result players are naturally expectant to try them out as they may just be the change they were looking for.

In the last 2-3 months I am ahead thanks largely to DOA and some good hits. In stark contrast I am losing heavily on anything that says 'New From NetEnt'. I have had the odd hit on CFTBL and others but the hits have been so far apart its not funny anymore.

The point I'm trying to get at here, what are your opinions on the Game design? Do you 'feel' that the games are safe to play and that you have a chance of getting ahead. There are a few players here that share my sentiment, but some may believe its a personal agenda between the lot of us. I said it once and Ill say it again. I love NetEnt - Just not their newer slots. I am trying to understand the logic in their paytables and ofcourse hear your experiences and have a bit of input.

Let me start by saying, in my last 10 -15 sessions I have lost over 200x bet each time on most of their Slots with my biggest hit being about 100x or slightly more. Shit loads of Spins, even more than I do on DOA and Im showing a huge negative. I have been known to be persistent, but at this rate, I may quit playing altogether if I continue playing anything new from NetEnt.

Do you believe that the newer games (playability and prettiness aside) are what you are expecting? Do you think they even pay well? How is it possible to design a slot on par with DOA with hits that almost never exceed 700x bet? How does NetEnt get it RIGHT to meet the TRPT on these slots?

Opinions and experiences welcome - Thanks in advance for your input!

Nate

 

[Dinahnana]

Hi Nate I agree with you on the design of the newer Netent slots. I always lose quite heavily on them so now I might hit them for no more than 50 spins max. I haven't had a load of luck on DOA but at least you get decent playtime for your bankroll on that slot. The way things are now I don't expect to ever get ahead in a session if I stick to the new Netent slots. This has soured my opinion on Netent as a whole and I find myself thinking what is the point if I go to fire up Netent slots? I am sure to loose or if I win the win is small. All the fun is gone out of Netent, every time I see a new slot come out I think meh.

I am not an expert or anything this is just my experience as a player.

 

[Slotster!]

I honestly find that NetEnt slots (old and new) perform and pay much the same to any other software.

Even on the ones people bang on about being terrible - I have really great runs or really awful ones. Or ones in between.

For me it's the innovation and the graphic input that sets them aside; I don't believe this to be at detriment to the play-ability or return.

Maybe I just expect less?

 

[Nate]

I honestly find that NetEnt slots (old and new) perform and pay much the same to any other software.

Even on the ones people bang on about being terrible - I have really great runs or really awful ones. Or ones in between.

For me it's the innovation and the graphic input that sets them aside; I don't believe this to be at detriment to the play-ability or return.

Maybe I just expect less?

Thanks for the reply.

Maybe your expectations are lower? I must admit, I don't expect 1000x bet - If I get ahead by even 20 - 50x or more, I leave the Slot. That is pretty difficult to achieve 95% of the time even for me.

What are your expectations? What makes you believe they are OK and what would you classify as a good hit?

Nate

 

[Slotster!]

If I get ahead by even 20 - 50x or more, I leave the Slot. That is pretty difficult to achieve 95% of the time even for me.

But that's the same on Microgaming slots. I certainly don't think the hits between those multipliers are any less common on NetEnt - or in fact any software.

The one thing that I would say, and this is purely in my experience, I've NEVER hit anything 2000x plus on Microgaming slots in over ten years playing them - whereas I did that on Dead or Alive twice within about a week of playing them.

My theory is that, because there are SO many mega multiplication NetEnt hits posted, versus the slightly more modest multiplication MG ones (Winner Screenshots thread, I'm looking at you - you dirty tempting hussy) - your expectations are higher when playing those slots.

I've seen people here disappointed when a decent DOA feature only delivers 200x. You'd be *ecstatic* if that was on Immortal Romance.

I really don't think it's difficult to hit 20x-50X on NetEnt - certainly no more so than any other software I play.

I'm terrible though. I don't have 'cashout' limits or top and low balances or any of that. I just play till I'm bored or broke and, on the rare occasion end up cashing some money out.

 

[Jericoton]

Nate´s post has everything in it, it kinda sums everything that i feel about current new releases and gameplay from newest netent slots. I give them that they have slots that look and sound nice but it gets lost there if the gameplay is not entertaining ! Alright not gonna abandon them totally since ive got few favorites from older releases but when i look at my skrill transactions i see more and more money going to other software providers each month, for me this tells everything aint right with theyre current releases, im sure they will run the exact rtp % but how it does that... not in good way in my oppinion.

 

[aceking123]

why drag them out nate , its not as you dont already know what your doing on the slots , surely by now you can pick up when there just crap , the new bunch pretty much the same ( no different from mg ) mg as far as im concerned can be far worst , a bit biased about mg purely down to my game play , i think quick sessions on netent can produce the goods even on the newer games , i wouldnt want to sit there for hours though you will get burnt , that said it doesnt mean you cant hit those 700x ive had a few over at guts on short burst sessions , not seen any good hits on long play though .0

depends on what you call a good hit anything above 50x total stake is a start for me , 100x 200x is good there for after 300X + bet is just great you wont see them every session but you do hope youve hit at the right stake.

 

[Nate]

But that's the same on Microgaming slots. I certainly don't think the hits between those multipliers are any less common on NetEnt - or in fact any software.

The one thing that I would say, and this is purely in my experience, I've NEVER hit anything 2000x plus on Microgaming slots in over ten years playing them - whereas I did that on Dead or Alive twice within about a week of playing them.

My theory is that, because there are SO many mega multiplication NetEnt hits posted, versus the slightly more modest multiplication MG ones (Winner Screenshots thread, I'm looking at you - you dirty tempting hussy) - your expectations are higher when playing those slots.

I've seen people here disappointed when a decent DOA feature only delivers 200x. You'd be *ecstatic* if that was on Immortal Romance.

I really don't think it's difficult to hit 20x-50X on NetEnt - certainly no more so than any other software I play.

I'm terrible though. I don't have 'cashout' limits or top and low balances or any of that. I just play till I'm bored or broke and, on the rare occasion end up cashing some money out.

Some very valid points mate - I have had multiple hits over 2000x at MG over the years BUT Id agree they are much more difficult to see. DOA I suppose is unique, variance is scary but its a well balanced Slot if you catch it at the right times.

When I see variance, my mind will of course compare it to similar slots with high variance. My expectations are FAR lower than DOA on newer releases trust me. I am happy with 50x bet as that is more fuel to tackle DOA.

I know that Slots like CFTBL are not ever ever going to throw huge hits like that, but what grinds me is the complete absence of any meaningful hits to bring you ahead. Try CFTBL in fun mode and see how many times you come out even 50x ahead from your start balance. Even on MG's 243 ways to lose, I can say I had many more hits to take me ahead early - even if they were 50x bet.

The mega multiplication hits on NetEnt are from DOA - Nothing else from anywhere comes close. DOA is despised by some NetEnt Casinos and even the wagering carries less - In some places 70% and as low as 20%. Other places just don't want DOA in their Casino and I understand why .

I have stopped counting the amount of sessions where I popped in and said - Start Balance 200x - If I go ahead by 30 - 50x, Im out. I never reach that target and get gazumped with a trillion blank spins and a thousand poor paying features.. Sometimes I may JUST get 50x behind after losing, then all is back to square 1 and you've lost a perfectly good balance on crap

Nate

 

[lotusch]

The one thing that I would say, and this is purely in my experience, I've NEVER hit anything 2000x plus on Microgaming slots in over ten years playing them - whereas I did that on Dead or Alive twice within about a week of playing them.

I did hit all my 1000X stake wins on either MGS or WMS or even Novomatic.
On Netent I have never even been close to that.

DOA,Evolution and Twin Spins are the only 3 Netent slots that paid me once a 300-500x stake...Never ever close to a 1000x stake win.
This is all I ever managed to get out of Netent slots where above software gives me much more frequent decent hits.
I keep trying DOA and maybe 1 day I will get those darn 5 scatters of 5 wilds on 1 payline. ^^

So let's just say,I do not like how Netent works out the RTP in their slots.
And most annoying is the poor bonusrounds and many slots that don't pay for the scatters.
All that taken in concideration I am not a big fan of Netent allthough I keep playing them in small sessions on low stakes.
I dare to play up to about €6.00 a spin on MGS,WMS and Novomatic if my balance allows me to,on Netent I did similar when I just started to play them but oh boy have I learned...

 

[dunover]

I agree in the main with your OP Nate.
There is definitely a noticeable difference in the game engines between old and new releases.
I have had deposits of £50 and cashed out 20x deposit on MG slots, 60x deposit on IGT but I would never imagine doing so on Netbent. Something is different, and as I said I am trying each evening on freeplay to emulate the big gains I've made on other software and I just can't. I have been playing 4 games in 4 windows for 5 evenings this week and have yet, in tens of thousands of spins, to achieve a 500X + feature.
My big cashouts are usually as a result of playing small, and raising as I win. This strategy has yet to work on netBent in free mode.
The best I have done is turn my 5k free play into 9668 on JaTB. 2 X deposit in other words.
It's almost as if NetBent, despite being random and paying their TRTP, have some kind of 'block' in place which truncates any exceptional peaks in the RTP at any given time - whether this is through the paytable algorithms or some other clever management.
I play IGT and MG aside from Netbent older releases, and always have the hope when I play, based on previous experience, that my deposit may be the one that accumulates into a 10 x deposit-plus cashout. On Netbent, even on the older ones, I never have that slight optimism. Aside from getting a lucky monster DoA hit in the first feature, it seems impossible to play NetBent with a view to winning, but merely for entertainment - which is why I play in free mode as the 'entertainment' is risk-free.

 

[mrmark21]

Ranting in about 5 other threads? That sounds like me lol!

I actually had a couple of decent wins on DOA. I'm talking 100x - 200x the bet nothing amazing but decent. Never hit the elusive 5 wilds.

I won't play Netent although to be fair there aren't many other platforms I'll play these days. I've had just as much bad luck on Netent as I've had on MG. TBH I'd probably play Netent over MG for the entertainment value. They do have some good games. I've been playing Netent's slots quite a bit on fun mode. I wouldn't touch the new slots and I'd stick to their lower variance games like Blood Suckers etc.

These are all terrible terrible slots - Space Wars, Thief, Muse, Reel Rush, Magic Portals, CFTBL, TwinSpin, Secret of the Stones, Big Bang, Wonky Wabbits. The graphics are good but seriously don't expect to cash-out. I can see the direction Netent are going with their slots and I'm sure that we are not the only people complaining.

I feel sorry for affiliates because I can't see players/customers sticking around for another crap bonus on these slots. IMO every single one of Netent's new games are money gobblers. They are going to end up with less players which means less profit. I'm sure that the terrible payouts would scare players off to other platforms. The problem is many players tend to believe there is a turning point where they will win their money back and then some. Yeah I tried that route for about six months - Never worked.

Netent's Pseudo-Random which dosent surprise me when you consider some of their compensated slots (Devils Delight). I think they can absolutely pay terribly while still keeping to the TRTP. But do the geniuses over at Netent really believe that poor paying slots are a good way to attract customers? I don't think so.

I just wish the players that are complaining would stop playing. I'm not the type of forum member who would often say something like that but seriously what better way to send a message than walking?

 

[Simmo!]

With all softwares there are a lot of slots that are generally boring but I find with Net Ent there are more than most. Beyond Piggy Riches, DOA and Vikings Treasure none of their slots grab me. When I am on a site with games by all providers I rarely find myself playing the Net Ent games.

But there is a marked difference between games built to entertain and those built for the more serious player - variance plays a large part in that and me being a generally high variance player probably doesn't lend itself to Net Ent play.

I feel sorry for affiliates because I can't see players/customers sticking around for another crap bonus on these slots.

I get asked a lot by some very good casinos to do more reviews and videos of their Net Ent games and I keep saying I will but every time I sit down to do it I just can't get enthusiastic. I should, if only to paint the picture - but when I try I just get "distracted" :-/

 

[Nate]

I just wish the players that are complaining would stop playing. I'm not the type of forum member who would often say something like that but seriously what better way to send a message than walking?

The thing is people are expectant (or hopeful) that they will create a decent game like DOA, Piggy Riches, Reel Steel or something similar. If I had the opportunity to LOCK certain games I would. I only go to NetEnt now for Dead or Alive. Once you hit and you have to wager on a bonus, you sometimes find yourself wandering and then trying other games.

Nate

 

[Patriot66]

I've noticed the growing hatred of Netent slots in various threads. Some of it is justified but thought I'd offer my thoughts.

I spread my play around all providers (although 90% is Netent or MG) and I can honestly say that the vast majority of my cashouts have come from playing on Netent sites.

On most deposits, I play the same 8 or so slots in the main:

SOTS, Beach, Evolution, Flowers, Wild Turkey, Muse, South Park and Thief

Not a fan of any of their releases without a free spins round (Fisticuffs, WW, Big Bang, Twin Spin etc).
Those slots are the ones in particular that seem to just grind your balance down. The eventual 'big' hit usually doesn't bring it back to its starting point in my experience.

I choose a slot and play it until I get the feature then move on to the next one irrelevant of how good / bad the feature / free spins happened to be.

I might play each slot 10 times in a session but never for an extended period of time.
I don't like letting one slot take my whole balance.

The amount of times I used to sit there on Reel Rush, Wild Rockets or Space Wars and see a 400x stake balance disappear in no time was ridiculous.

I find that slow and steady wins the race with Netent and there's always the possibility of the 500-1000x hit that any of those slots can provide.

Think a lot depends on what your target is when you sit down for a session. Very hard to much more than triple your deposit with Netent (depending on your stake to balance ratio) but I play for enjoyment and to actually get some playing time for my money.

If I want to fritter away £100 in half an hour, albeit with the potential of the MAHOOSIVE hit, I'll play TFROL, IR or (to a lesser extent) DOA.

I am a lowroller though so maybe Netent slots suit my balance / stakes a little better. I will always play the minimum on those slots until my balance is over 400x the minimum stake then I may get a little fruity and increase it to 2p / line (they don't call me 'wild man' for nothing!*).

*no one has ever called me 'wild man'

 

[zap987]

A lot of their new slots are just too low variance, with a too large part of the RTP in the lower range of wins. 3 wilds on Wonky Rabbits pays a bit over 100x bet, has there even been any screenshot posted of 4+ wilds? The chance to hit 7 wilds is probably comparable to 5 reels full of wilds on Avalon 2. It doesn't really matter how amazing wins are possible if the chance to hit them is so small that they aren't really going to happen, they will make up a tiny % of the overall RTP.

The new NetEnt slots might seem high variance with big wins in the paytable but what you actually get is a very low variance slot that has almost all of the RTP in 0-100x bet range, doesn't stop it from having lots of blank spins though.

Of the new ones, the only ones that seem to actually produce a bit bigger wins at any frequency are Twin Spin and Creature from the Black Lagoon and Twin Spin.

 

[sandtag]

When playing netent I prefer wild rockets, gonzo and south park. I actually do not dislike WW or Twin spin though as they do pay from time to time, however all of my big wins on netent (1000€+) have come from at least 2-20€ stakes where I just randomly increased the stake for a while. It seems very unlikely to go beyond 2x deposit on netent when playing small stakes, it is however nice to play them with a good bonus. But why play slots which is likely to kill your balance or double it when you can play microgaming where you can turn 20€ into 1000€ betting 0.6-0.9€? I seem to find myself stuck at wms slots for the moment though as the gameplay appeal a lot to me (even though being on a killer bad run with wms ).

 

[whodatrec]

My experience is as you say above here, you have to increase your bet and hit something right away to win big on netent. If u play 1.0 or less you will max double your money, unless u play DOA. All the new slots require big bets to win big.

Ive won alot on netent but EVERY time ive had bets in the range of 5-25 Euros. I have only won over 1K playing 1 euro or less on DOA.
Won 10K on gonzo on a 10 spin, won 10K on SOTS on a 25 spin.. Get the picture?

And these new slots without freespins are just horrible.. Wonky wabbits and such, where is the entertainment in playing these? What where they thinking when they designed these slots? They think that players want to have 80% blank spins each session?

But to me Microgaming is also horrible and has always been atleast to me worse than netent. At the moment im only playing WMS, seams i usually get decent playtime even when im on a losing session. And theres the BIG hit potensial.

 

[SPOPPLE]

In the past I enjoyed netent slots but recently and with the addition of their newest offerings I seem to win zilch from them. Lost about a grand this week (although I was up a few the previous weeks) and its mostly down to me being stupid enough to think that they are bound to pay out sooner or later so I just keep feeding it.

Just put TSII on and ive already increased my money 5 fold in 20 minutes, just hit 3 bonus rounds within about 30 spins with 2 of them paying 100x stake, on netent it normally takes me 100 spins to see a hit that isnt 0.763353x stake.

I do enjoy netent slots but even the low variance ones seem to be demolishing my balance and the big wins seem to only come to those that start with a huge bankroll. The other week I tried the playboy slot for the first time and hit almost a 4000x bet within about 100 spins, I know thats an anomaly but im lucky to hit a 40x bet on netent slots. Ive only started to play DOA for the past few weeks and have done in the region of 1000 spins on and in that time ive hit 3 scatters 3 times, both paying a negligible amount, the base game seems to be just as bad to with its 9 paylines. Whereas with IR I seem to get a 100x bet almost within 20 spins, then it stops paying out for a while.

...........and ive just hit another bonus on TSII

 

[Dagobert]

My experience is as you say above here, you have to increase your bet and hit something right away to win big on netent. If u play 1.0 or less you will max double your money, unless u play DOA. All the new slots require big bets to win big.

Ive won alot on netent but EVERY time ive had bets in the range of 5-25 Euros. I have only won over 1K playing 1 euro or less on DOA.
Won 10K on gonzo on a 10 spin, won 10K on SOTS on a 25 spin.. Get the picture?

And these new slots without freespins are just horrible.. Wonky wabbits and such, where is the entertainment in playing these? What where they thinking when they designed these slots? They think that players want to have 80% blank spins each session?

But to me Microgaming is also horrible and has always been atleast to me worse than netent. At the moment im only playing WMS, seams i usually get decent playtime even when im on a losing session. And theres the BIG hit potensial.

What WMS slots do you Play? With this High win potential?

 

[whodatrec]

Ruby Slippers and Bruce lee for the most. Alot of the WMS games are shit aswell but these two slots generally gives me alot of playtime and ive had several big wins on them.
Hit over 1000x bet several times on Ruby slippers. My best was 3 x wild reels with 5 x multiplier. Also had 4 wild reels but without the multiplier and with shitty symbols.

Only NetEnt slots ive hit over 1000x bet is Gonzo`s Quest,JATBS and DOA. All the new slots are shit, only one i can see possibly paying out huge is TCFBL. I didd win about 77 000 NOK approx 10K Euros on one single free spin on Secrets of the stones, but i was betting 250NOK a spin so thats just about 300x stake. Funny thing was i had 30 250 NOK and i wanted to WD so i just didd that one single spin and i hit the FS and got the wild reel 2 and 4 with 3x mulitplier.

 

[De Beuker]

Whenever I cashout from Netent its 90% of the time thanks to DOA.
Never hit over 1000x on any other netent slot, came close once with JATB (900x).
Got just over 600x yesterday on CFTBL, and altough I play Gonzo alot, my best on that one is still 400x bet, and that was 4 years ago..

On games like Starburst or Fisticuffs its just too hard to get ahead.
Got 200x bet twice on Starburst half a year ago, thought it was a nice game, but ever since those 2 hits its been a drama, even a 3 star hit paid a lousy 70x bet.
And tose 30-60x bet hits always seem to be followed by at leas 30 totally dead spins.

I just dont understand why everyone seems to hate CFTBL so much.
IMO its Netents best release in years, by a mile, and in a totally different league than Starburst/Reel Rush etc.
Its a bit like JATB, but much better imo because it can also pay big in normal spins.
Ofcourse it has long dry spells and non paying feautures, but when those wilds start hitting..

 

[3jokers]

I must admit I prefer the new NetEnt slots by far to the old ones and especially to Microgaming slots. I mean, when you trigger a free spins feature on the NetEnt slots you often win very big. However on Microgaming slots, the free spins features don't tend to pay out as much and it feels like you don't win anything on most of the free spins.

The new NetEnt games always seems to have an extra function during the free spins that increases your winnings a lot. On Microgaming it's often just free spins with 3x and maybe some extra wild which you rarely see. Also, when the new Avalon II came, it just felt like another Lord of the Rings/Thunderstruck II/Batman clone, like most new slots on Microgaming.

My favorite NetEnt game at the moment is Elements. I really love that you trigger the bonus game by winning four times in a row during a spin, and not with just bonus symbols like all Microgaming slots. I also love the 4 different bonus games. In my opinion there is no contest between the NetEnt slots and Microgaming Slots anymore.

I know some might not agree with me on this, but it's my honest opinion.

 

[x528a]

Net Ent worst slots out there!

I' stopped playing Net Ent slots around the end of 2012. Had some hits in the beggining of 2013. Over 60 user accounts. Net Ent slots had great variance back then, they created slots how a slot should be played. I'd figure out I had more chance to win after opening new user accounts. So I had a USB with with userbase/verification also used VPN. The winning streak was really big. Mostly of the bonus rounds of the Gonzo slots paid really good. There was a huge RTP. So once loosing the money the chance of winning back was 50/50. The slots were fun since I almost developed a gambling addiction. When I'd had enough money I spent them playing on same accounts and always lost after withdrawl. But in the end I won lots of money.

Since there actually was millions of people who play'd Net Ent back then it was a good chance of winning. In the end of 2012 I couldn't even continue playing Net Ent slots because the dead spins started. Something had changed over the last past years, yeah back then RTP didnt act this way. Net Ent is PRNG and they probably written a better algoritm but not better that it suits us. Its suits Net Ent and the operators. By playing Blood suckers which is a low variance slot and Gonzo's quest which is a high variance slot, the pattern repeat it self. Gonzo had huge hits on the bonus rounds and getting 20 freespins could result in a cash out of 800 Euro etc on 0,40 €. Today Gonzo is a brutal slot which only contains dead spins and bad bonus rounds even on high bets. Hitting x15 in bonus rounds is almost impossible. So playing Blood Suckers or Gonzo's quest no difference in variance.

Over 100K spinns I had problems getting over 100€ wins at the end. I can say the year before over 100K spinns gave me over 200K € in wins. Net Ent has written a better algoritm. Because nowdays the RTP dosnt even give u a chance of winning back your money. Could be that players have given up on them since RTP is sinking.

I don't say its all rigged. But PRNG isnt true random. So I give Net Ent slots a thumb down.

 

[3jokers]

Even though I am more positive about NetEnt videoslots, I have to agree with you about Gonzo's Quest. A few years back I won over €1000 on free spins with €0,40 bet (bet level 2, coin size €0,01). However, nowadays, I won't even hit that big win with bets like 5 or even 10 euros. The Elements slot is better though.

 

[dave1888]

If you like free fall games you'll love this!

Guys try fruit case it also has free falls and with highest paying symbol giving 2000x bet free spins being x3 plus a multiplier if you get consecutive wins up to x8 and wild symbols up to x8 so most you can win xbet is 190x bet!! during free spins also the free spins are fair easier to hit on this than on gonzo and elements! I have won 100x my bet a few times on this slot it can be cold for periods but it will payout if you are patient and can always switch to something else and come back that's what I do often!

another game I am very fond of is subtopia this game can take hours to hit big on but when it does if you have a decent bet size on you can win alot! I won £665 on 90p(in winners screenshots somewhere) bet back in 2012(my first big net ent win)

Lastly ghost pirates a cracking game can go on this with 25 and get it up to 100s again this one can have plenty dead spins but I have had streaks of free spins that can go into the hundreds lost count how many retriggers