Taking on a crazy bonus just for the playtime....

[ChopleyIOM]

Now I've dipped my toes into the Rival waters I'm seeing bonus 'offers' of the likes I've never seen before, and my initial reaction has been.....

Well my initial reaction has generally been very rude so I won't repeat it here, but then I've got to thinking, hang on, if I'm just after loads of play time, maybe this isn't such a bad idea?

Case in point is this one at Tropica (screenshot below).

I deposit £100, I get a 1777% match bonus (!!!!!), to give me a bankroll of £1877 with a WR of 65xD+B which is so far off achievable I am effectively setting fire to the £100 as soon as I deposit it - but by crikey that's some serious play time!

(It's almost like free play BUT at the back of my mind I'll know it's a real cash deposit with the outside chance of winning some real money, I mean TBH I expect to lose anyway whenever I deposit at any casino. I only ever deposit money I'm happy to lose and basically write it off as I do so, be it with a bonus or otherwise. When I deposit into a casino my default mental state is 'that money's gone, what I'm paying for is entertainment'.)

A massive bankroll to try out all the slots to my heart's content, see all the bonus rounds, get a few big hits here and there, and then inevitably bust out loooong before I meet the WR - but that kind of bankroll will keep a low-roller like me busy for a week or more. (I don't sit at my PC 24/7 playing slots BTW I go to work Monday-Friday and spend time with my family and we go out at the weekends and all that normal stuff, but Mrs Chopley and Chopley Jnr are usually asleep in bed by around 10-11pm and I'm generally up until around 1am on a normal night, 2-4am at the weekends (I don't need that much sleep), so I do have quite a bit of 'downtime' to do stuff of my choosing, and I do like my online slots.)

Would any of you take on a near certain-death WR like this, just for the shits and giggles of having such a big bankroll to mess around with?

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[LondonDJ]

I wouldn't take it just because of the Max Cashout rule. For me that makes it pretty much lose-lose.

I get your reasoning though, and I have taken High Noon's "Deposit 150, get extra 500" bonus before. that was great fun, also had absurd WR, but came with no max cashout. that's the key for me.

Anyway, good luck whatever you decide!

 

[Tirilej]

I don't know how Tropica does, but also remember that the games we play the most, like the I-slots and the high variance-games as Scary Rich 1 and 2, are often on max bets of $1 or $2.
To have a big bankroll and not being able to make high bets will be boring, and reduce your chances of high winnings.

I would never ever take that kind of bonus.
If I like to try as many games as possible, I would take a resonable bonus, with no max cashout, and then play them on low bets instead.
You could still win a lot, and then maybe later raze your betsize.

Good luck whatever you do

 

[blonde]

I did take a bonus like this years ago when Vegas Regal was an accredited casino. It was the only Rival powered casino I would play at. Low and behold I did make wagering and cashed out. I don't remember the exact bonus amount that I received, but it was up there and thought when I deposited that I just wanted some play time. Well, needless to say I got me some play time and a small cashout. So some might think or say its impossible, but it is indeed possible to get through the spiral binding playthrough. I wouldn't recommend doing this all the time, but was too experimenting with larger bonuses etc. Good luck to you and hope if you do take the bonus you enjoy yourself and get a cashout.

 

[Jasminebed]

Well, to be only able to cash out $880, with the bonus taken off, I don't think I'd take it. As Tirileg said, you will probably find max bets are set rather low.

Been a long time since I played Rival, but I actually really liked their 3 reel slots. Had a lot of good sessions with GoldRush or Goldmine or whatever it's called.

 

[Sensational]

I would not take it either.

If i am going to invest some real money and my time to gambling then I want to take the chance to possibly win and walk away with something then have a very large length of play time, which I could get at any given time by free play, which I never use anyway.

 

[Nifty29]

No no no no no!!

It's an awful deal......in fact, any deal that imposes a max cashout on a DEPOSIT bonus is predatory IMO.

You'll find the bets limited so you can't bet $20 per spin for a start which pretty much kills you from the off. Offers like this are for suckers only and the max cashout means that if you build a $10k balance up the casino still wins as the games have generated $9k+ in wins they don't have to pay.

IMO any casino that offers this crap should be avoided as they are preying on the uneducated.

I know KK doesn't have an issue with max cashouts, but then his last few years results might be giving him cause for rethink

 

[Zepher]

No no no no no!!

It's an awful deal......in fact, any deal that imposes a max cashout on a DEPOSIT bonus is predatory IMO.

You'll find the bets limited so you can't bet $20 per spin for a start which pretty much kills you from the off. Offers like this are for suckers only and the max cashout means that if you build a $10k balance up the casino still wins as the games have generated $9k+ in wins they don't have to pay.

IMO any casino that offers this crap should be avoided as they are preying on the uneducated.

I know KK doesn't have an issue with max cashouts, but then his last few years results might be giving him cause for rethink

Gotta agree with Nifty here mate.. Its an awful offer.. Yeah the playtime you get out of it is HUGE.. but just imagine you go and hit a few nice bonus rounds/spins and end up, as Nifty said, with a ~10k balance... You'd be sooo pissed to lose 95% of it when it comes to cashout time. The other side of it is the restriction on big bets as already mentioned, which pretty much closes that chance of even gettin anything to walk away with. Much better offers out there bud, you know this

 

[KasinoKing]

I know KK doesn't have an issue with max cashouts, but then his last few years results might be giving him cause for rethink

As you well know, I don't have an issue with ANY term which is CLEARLY stated in the T&C's at ANY casino.

Gamblers are supposed to be adults - and adults have to take responsibility for their actions. In particular relation to gambling - they should ALWAYS check and accept the T&Cs of any offer before they start. If they don't like it - don't play it!

For what it's worth, I agree this is a terrible bonus which should only be taken with the exact attitude that Chopley has demonstrated; it's just a bit of fun with a very slim chance of a small profit cash-out.
Nothing wrong with that, though I personally would never take a bonus with a max cash-out THAT low!

KK

 

[Jasminebed]

If the deposit amount was quite small, that might be one thing, to play it for a bit of fun.

But min $50 to have a very slim chance at $440? And a non-cashable bonus to boot?

You could go play one hand of baccarat with no bonus on the tie bet for a far greater chancing of the same cashout, then have some of your own funds to take quite a number of deposit bonuses.

If by some miracle you manage a cashout, you may find yourself bonus banned too.

I'm rather in favour of not rewarding bad behaviour (predatory bonuses).

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hiya,

Thanks for the feedback which is all valid. We agree with everything said here.

Kindly note that the 1777% Match was set up as we had several requests from players who did not have money to gamble all the time. They liked the games and wanted an offer which could see them playing 2-4 weeks between pay-checks. It remains a firm favourite and when we pulled it last month, we received several complaints. It really is not meant for regular players such as yourselves, but for the folk who only have a few bucks to spend on gambling per month.

We do have several other daily offers which cater to everyone's tastes and needs.

Regards,
Tropica Casino

 

[LaHutti]

Would never touch it ... not even with Chopley's money

 

[Dipity]

I don't have an issue with the bonus %, nor the WR - whilst it is above what I normally want from a bonus WR, as the rep states, it's there to give people a huge amount of playtime.

What I do have an issue with, and this is the real red flag and the reason I wouldn't personally take it, is the absurd max cashout. I tend to stick to 10-20x WR with bonuses, and I HATE taking max cashout bonuses, unless the WR is stupidly low, and the max cashout isn't a silly amount.

I wouldn't take this bonus, but that said, if you do play the Rivals, and you have a decent bankroll, I would certainly go with Scary Rich 1 and 2, as well as Spy Game and the Alien game (I forget what it's called, the bonus round is a spaceship shooting asteroids, free spins have expanding rocket wilds), but only part 1, not part 2.

A Stitch in Time is also worth a shot if you can afford it.

All of the games mentioned above have a great shot at paying a huge amount in the bonus rounds.

 

[Mousey]

Kind of a side note .. I don't know about this Rival casino specifically, but in the past Rivals are not above reducing your max bet settings.... even DURING gameplay (especially during a good run)-- which could make for looooong and arduous days of fulfilling the WR. (Some of the old Rivals - Pantasia, DaVinci, etc. - had me set at $3 max bet on the 3 reelers -- great for meeting WR otherwise -- and something like $6 for vid slots.) I wonder if Rivals still do that. It's hell to get booted from a game while racking up the wins, only to find you can no longer bet $15 spin but are limited to $6 when you log back in....

Because the bonus is to be removed (imagine the $$ necessary to pile up before even thinking about WD), plus a cap on the cashout... plus great fees incurred upon cashout after they've taken their bonus out... I wouldn't (personally) touch it with a 10 ft pole.

But if you take it, Chopley --- damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, and hope you win! Just be prepared for crappy or no bonuses later...

Just my 2cents worth.

 

[KasinoKing]

I wouldn't take this bonus, but that said, if you do play the Rivals, and you have a decent bankroll, I would certainly go with Scary Rich 1 and 2, as well as Spy Game and the Alien game (I forget what it's called, the bonus round is a spaceship shooting asteroids, free spins have expanding rocket wilds), but only part 1, not part 2.

A Stitch in Time is also worth a shot if you can afford it.

All of the games mentioned above have a great shot at paying a huge amount in the bonus rounds.

The "Alien Game" is Cosmic Quest - Episode One

I agree they are all fairly high variance and big hits are possible - but so are big holes in your bank balance!
You can't have it all ways!

A Switch in Time is a great i-Slot IMHO - although obviously rare, it is possible to win up to 78 free-spins or a multiplier of up to x27!
(Not both at once unfortunately - it's 78 @ x9 in one location, and it's possible to get a x27 multiplier (by hitting 3 expanding wilds) during up to 50 free-spins in another)

KK

 

[Slotster!]

Would any of you take on a near certain-death WR like this, just for the shits and giggles of having such a big bankroll to mess around with?

All shit and no giggles.

I'd rather spend an hour sticking needles in my eyes

 

[Deanna]

All shit and no giggles.

I'd rather spend an hour sticking needles in my eyes

That might be worth paying a $100 to see....

 

[Balky]

This bonus is not as bad as it looks in the first moment. I took the offer several times for playtime reasons. Achieved max cashout 2 or 3 times after tons of big hits on scary rich 1 and 2, big cash win and some other 3-reel-slots. Payment was fast but a bonus ban followed right away. I sent a PM to Tropica asking among some other things if there would be any more promotions but received never an answer.

Cheers

Balky

 

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This bonus is not as bad as it looks in the first moment. I took the offer several times for playtime reasons. Achieved max cashout 2 or 3 times after tons of big hits on scary rich 1 and 2, big cash win and some other 3-reel-slots. Payment was fast but a bonus ban followed right away. I sent a PM to Tropica asking among some other things if there would be any more promotions but received never an answer.

Cheers

Balky

Hi Balky,

Thank you for your post. I checked your account now. You sent a PM here on Meister on 04 July and we replied to you within 1 hour via our email system which is the correct channel for queries of this nature. We don't want this to become the medium for addressing general player queries.

I have PM'ed you the email now for your records. Please check your spam folder for our reply dated 04 July 2012.

Regards,
Tropica Casino

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thanks to everyone for their comments, interesting reading all around

I think it's a reasonably interesting little bonus for the reasons I originally stated, and those that have been added by other posters. Loads of play time for little 'real' investment. And on a £100 deposit, still the possibility (albeit remote!) of cashing out with over £800.

I'd be interested if anyone's ever come across such a huge bonus that doesn't have pretty tight withdrawal limits on it?

 

[vinylweatherman]

This bonus is not as bad as it looks in the first moment. I took the offer several times for playtime reasons. Achieved max cashout 2 or 3 times after tons of big hits on scary rich 1 and 2, big cash win and some other 3-reel-slots. Payment was fast but a bonus ban followed right away. I sent a PM to Tropica asking among some other things if there would be any more promotions but received never an answer.

Cheers

Balky

This has always been the biggest problem with Rival. Even where the chances are slim, as in this case, just win ONCE and they treat you like an "abuser", rather than a recreational player who just happened to get lucky, but who would most likely end up giving the money back, and more, in trying to repeat the performance. This means that when you do win, it needs to be worth it, but with a miserly 0.5x max cashout, you will probably not even win back your past losses, let alone actually WIN in the true sense of the word.

I just don't see this BS with the vast majority of MGS casino. I have had many "life changing" session wins (those of 20K or more), and many have been from a deposit bonus or cashback. Had these all been tied to the kinds of max cashouts seen with softwares such as Rival, the vast majority of my big wins would never have seen my Neteller account, yet my losing sessions would have counted 100%.

These are very BAD offers for the serious player, even if those players that can only afford one small deposit per month like them to stick around.

Given the Tropica reps defence of this offer as not intended for the serious player in any case, and designed for the low roller with limited spare funds, why then was it cancelled, leaving these players nothing that suited them?

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

This has always been the biggest problem with Rival. Even where the chances are slim, as in this case, just win ONCE and they treat you like an "abuser", rather than a recreational player who just happened to get lucky, but who would most likely end up giving the money back, and more, in trying to repeat the performance. This means that when you do win, it needs to be worth it, but with a miserly 0.5x max cashout, you will probably not even win back your past losses, let alone actually WIN in the true sense of the word.

I just don't see this BS with the vast majority of MGS casino. I have had many "life changing" session wins (those of 20K or more), and many have been from a deposit bonus or cashback. Had these all been tied to the kinds of max cashouts seen with softwares such as Rival, the vast majority of my big wins would never have seen my Neteller account, yet my losing sessions would have counted 100%.

These are very BAD offers for the serious player, even if those players that can only afford one small deposit per month like them to stick around.

Given the Tropica reps defence of this offer as not intended for the serious player in any case, and designed for the low roller with limited spare funds, why then was it cancelled, leaving these players nothing that suited them?

Hi,

In truth, we were losing quite a bit of money on the promotion as a result of the same "seasoned players" taking it up over and over. The promotion was removed and replaced with a 1000% Offer. Genuine players for whom it was intended, contacted us stating they preferred the 1777% as it allowed them longer play time and a better chance of winning. We then enabled it again and had to go about adding extra criterion to ensure it was not been awarded to the group of players who were taking advantage of it.

I think what needs to be taken into account here is that it is 1,777%. This is a huge bankroll and we had to impose a Max Cashout. We don't feel this is unfair in any way on such a large bonus. On a €100 deposit, you can withdraw 10x your deposit which is not bad considering we are giving you €1,777 extra to do it with.

This is not a promotion for the seasoned gambler and new players don't see it in the cashier until their account is 3 days old (we aren't trying to trap anyone either). This is for people who want to play for a long period of time without breaking the bank or the proverbial college fund. We want our customers to have fun.

We have 7 other daily promotions and whilst I am unable to list them here, we do try and cater for everyone's tastes and budget. Customers can choose what suits them or simply play without.

The feedback around this offer has been great and there are 2 schools of thought coming through. Looking forward to hearing more from the members here tomorrow

Have a good evening everyone.

Regards,
Tropica Casino

 

[LaHutti]

Hi,

In truth, we were losing quite a bit of money on the promotion as a result of the same "seasoned players" taking it up over and over. The promotion was removed and replaced with a 1000% Offer. Genuine players for whom it was intended, contacted us stating they preferred the 1777% as it allowed them longer play time and a better chance of winning. We then enabled it again and had to go about adding extra criterion to ensure it was not been awarded to the group of players who were taking advantage of it.

I think what needs to be taken into account here is that it is 1,777%. This is a huge bankroll and we had to impose a Max Cashout. We don't feel this is unfair in any way on such a large bonus. On a €100 deposit, you can withdraw 10x your deposit which is not bad considering we are giving you €1,777 extra to do it with.

This is not a promotion for the seasoned gambler and new players don't see it in the cashier until their account is 3 days old (we aren't trying to trap anyone either). This is for people who want to play for a long period of time without breaking the bank or the proverbial college fund. We want our customers to have fun.

We have 7 other daily promotions and whilst I am unable to list them here, we do try and cater for everyone's tastes and budget. Customers can choose what suits them or simply play without.

The feedback around this offer has been great and there are 2 schools of thought coming through. Looking forward to hearing more from the members here tomorrow

Have a good evening everyone.

Regards,
Tropica Casino

I don't know if it's just me, but I seem to be reading between the lines, that "genuine" players, are players that don't play to try to win, and everyone else are considered "seasoned" players, and a lower class of players in your opinion... is that right ?
I wonder where your casino would be without winners.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

I don't know if it's just me, but I seem to be reading between the lines, that "genuine" players, are players that don't play to try to win, and everyone else are considered "seasoned" players, and a lower class of players in your opinion... is that right ?
I wonder where your casino would be without winners.

Hi,

Hopefully it's just you Lahutti, as it is not right at all Not sure how that conclusion was drawn as that is not what was said. "...genuine players for who it was intended" refers to players for whom the 1777% offer was intended. I.e. not the group of players who took advantage of the offer.

Hope this clears it up?

Tropica Casino

 

[Jasminebed]

Tropica, I applaud you for trying to meet player's needs.

As a Canadian, I have not been a Rival player in a long time.

But I definitely enjoy bonus play. Most of my deposits are with bonuses. I don't actually expect a casino to give me a better chance of winning with a bonus, but I expect about the same chance as a bonus free deposit, with the imposed restriction of of wagering. But a wagering requirement gives me longer playtime, something I want in a session.

You have players that enjoy this promo. And rightly so it has come under attack here.
Or
But is is the level of that max cashout that leaves us saying NAY.

If there were players able to take advantage of the offer in the orignal post, they must be way smarter than me. Or at least your promo team.

And to say you withdrew it because CM membership said bad deal, and then take that back, and you withdrew the offer because you were losing money on it just doesn't sit right with me.

Tropica, you have seemed really responsive to member's input, and kudos for you for that.

There are many seasoned members here I'm sure would be happy to help you design offers that only left players only marginally disadvanced.

And if a loyal player really wanted a bad deal, I'm sure you could accomodate that too.

After all, the customer is right.