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    Quote Originally Posted by bvu2011 View Post
    Then I do wonder how the RTP figures for a day, week or month when one or two players are hitting hundreds and 10, 12 and 15k respectively? The total RTP then can be seen as those two players representing the majority of the RTP not all players lol Jus sayin! Please forgive me if I misunderstand, but this really did happen and I found the RTP to be deceiving to anyone who was reading the stats and wanting to play.
    The only number that matters is the TRTP, which is the theoretical return to player when you play a slot machine (ie: what you should expect after X number of spins). The actual RTP for any given time is irrelevant. It's not like the guy that won 15k is stealing your money.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    The only number that matters is the TRTP, which is the theorical return to player when you play a slot machine (ie: what you should expect after X number of spins). The actual RTP for any given time is irrelevant. It's not like the guy that won 15k is stealing your money.
    To emphasize, I do not even know what TRTP means, please define.

    Never mind you did define lol Just to let you know there are some people like me, who do not understand lest they ask I am an amateur in being a casino literate lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by bvu2011 View Post
    To emphasize, I do not even know what TRTP means, please define.
    I already defined it in the post that you quoted. It's the theoretical return to player: what you should expect when playing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    I already defined it in the post that you quoted. It's the theoretical return to player: what you should expect when playing.
    Sorry about that, I did notice and edited my post but your too fast lol



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    If I get a "theoretical" win, can I cash it out? lol... just kidding.

    I have played on line since 1999. Back in the good old days when you didn't have to send ID, etc, first born.

    I have way better luck at RTG software as far as winning is concerned.

    The service at 3Dice is better than any I have seen. Cash-outs are a gamblers dream as far as speed...... WHEN they happen. Problem is, for me anyway, I have not been in a position to do that. And, I really don't see it happening any time soon.

    I have gone from depositing $100-$150 a week to about $25.00 a week. Last week I only dropped $15.00. Maybe someday it will change, my "luck" that is.......... but right now at 3Dice, more deposits is just beating a dead horse.



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    You do realize, that that comparison doesn't hold water at all, right ?
    One you're talking about a human being pressing a button, the other you're talking about a computer program, that can be programmed to do anything you want it to do, at any given time, and if certain conditions are met....I don't know why some people fail to see the HUGE difference ?

    As much as I find it annoying, when people keep putting their money into something they believe is cheating them, complain about it, and then walk right back to throw more money at it, as annoying do I find the people defending the casinos and especially the software with human actions, and that they don't NEED to cheat....that may very well be, but if you can double or triple your income, with very simple means, don't tell me you don't know human nature well enough to know, that someone, somewhere is going to try.....and if I personally believe, that someone is trying... I don't throw my money at these places (none mentioned, none forgotten)...simple as that.
    It is a computer, and it can be programmed to do anything you want it to. No one have access to the software, so no one really knows how it works, or how RTP is achieved for example....a lot of people like to guess, and make believe that their guess is the correct one... oh well, each to their own.

    Do you trust the programmers, and the people doing audit on the programs, is really what it all boils down to....if not, you need to stop throwing money at it.

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    Do you believe that there's a guy watching you and pushing buttons when you go play in a land based casino? If not then why would it be any different online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaHutti View Post
    You do realize, that that comparison doesn't hold water at all, right ?
    One you're talking about a human being pressing a button, the other you're talking about a computer program, that can be programmed to do anything you want it to do, at any given time, and if certain conditions are met....I don't know why some people fail to see the HUGE difference ?

    As much as I find it annoying, when people keep putting their money into something they believe is cheating them, complain about it, and then walk right back to throw more money at it, as annoying do I find the people defending the casinos and especially the software with human actions, and that they don't NEED to cheat....that may very well be, but if you can double or triple your income, with very simple means, don't tell me you don't know human nature well enough to know, that someone, somewhere is going to try.....and if I personally believe, that someone is trying... I don't throw my money at these places (none mentioned, none forgotten)...simple as that.
    It is a computer, and it can be programmed to do anything you want it to. No one have access to the software, so no one really knows how it works, or how RTP is achieved for example....a lot of people like to guess, and make believe that their guess is the correct one... oh well, each to their own.

    Do you trust the programmers, and the people doing audit on the programs, is really what it all boils down to....if not, you need to stop throwing money at it.

    Great post as I have made my decision to remove myself from any place I do not feel comfortable with. Again, whereas I do not feel comfortable - another does. Moreover, as far as computer software/programming, if one were to tell me their program does not have any flaws etc. I would beg to differ because I do not believe anything is perfect especially technology which at times has a mind of its own and must be constantly monitored for quality control. I find the gambling business to be more than meets the eye. Of course the customer wants to be entertained, but I must say that most people want to WIN too. The latter, the casino business is out for the same, they want money! I agree that in every business there will be ones who become greedy (human nature lol) an set their standards high for a win. I have seen way too many BIG WINS at 3Dice to say this is a problem. But what I do see is that those who win BIG can and have gone on for a month straight. When the same person wins big for a month straight, or you notice multiple wins like 15-20+ in VIP tourney wins by one player in a week (which is not unusual) it should not come as a surprise that the casino will have complaints. And because 3Dice has a chat in which those in real play can post a screenshot, it becomes more evident to other depositing players who is winning. Like I said, when you have one person winning BIG over and over its a given it will be questioned. I have won big at 3Dice by winning an RJP in which I was very grateful except for what happened after - that I did not appreciate.

    I have found that I do not want to be a career gambler lol But I do find the etiquette aspect to be very interesting by observation in how some choose to run their place of business!
    Last edited by bvu2011; 20th May 2013 at 01:50 AM. Reason: Had more to say lol



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    Liking or not liking a casino is all well and good but it all comes down to faith.

    One thing I have learned from this forum is no matter how much experience you think you have or how many spins or hands you have played you will have a hard time convincing anyone that a casino could possibly be cheating.

    If you play 1000 spins and have 40% RTP people will tell you that is not a big enough sample to judge by. If you sample 10,000 spins you will get the same answer. Just last week I posted about how 400 spins on a given slot without a bonus round seemed excessive to me, "oh no", I was told, "you can go 800 without a bonus round." If I came on and posted that I took 900 spins with no bonus round I'm sure someone would say, "oh, that's nothing, you could go 1200 spins....."

    Using that criteria I don't see why anyone would trust the third party auditors, how big of a sample could they possibly take? If you don't trust the casino then you shouldn't play there.

    This week I trust 3Dice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjohn View Post
    Liking or not liking a casino is all well and good but it all comes down to faith.

    One thing I have learned from this forum is no matter how much experience you think you have or how many spins or hands you have played you will have a hard time convincing anyone that a casino could possibly be cheating.

    If you play 1000 spins and have 40% RTP people will tell you that is not a big enough sample to judge by. If you sample 10,000 spins you will get the same answer. Just last week I posted about how 400 spins on a given slot without a bonus round seemed excessive to me, "oh no", I was told, "you can go 800 without a bonus round." If I came on and posted that I took 900 spins with no bonus round I'm sure someone would say, "oh, that's nothing, you could go 1200 spins....."

    Using that criteria I don't see why anyone would trust the third party auditors, how big of a sample could they possibly take? If you don't trust the casino then you shouldn't play there.

    This week I trust 3Dice.
    That's where Enzo of 3Dice is deemed most helpful. I recall that he posted a couple of times n the past explaining the meaning of variance and quoting figures as to how many spins on average is required to hit a feature/bonus round for the slots he mentioned. I am sure if you pm him you will get the figures for the slot you are interested in knowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjohn View Post
    Liking or not liking a casino is all well and good but it all comes down to faith.

    One thing I have learned from this forum is no matter how much experience you think you have or how many spins or hands you have played you will have a hard time convincing anyone that a casino could possibly be cheating.

    If you play 1000 spins and have 40% RTP people will tell you that is not a big enough sample to judge by. If you sample 10,000 spins you will get the same answer. Just last week I posted about how 400 spins on a given slot without a bonus round seemed excessive to me, "oh no", I was told, "you can go 800 without a bonus round." If I came on and posted that I took 900 spins with no bonus round I'm sure someone would say, "oh, that's nothing, you could go 1200 spins....."

    Using that criteria I don't see why anyone would trust the third party auditors, how big of a sample could they possibly take? If you don't trust the casino then you shouldn't play there.

    This week I trust 3Dice.
    This is a very interesting and funny post all at the same time!! I thought there were regulations that are to be met for what you speak of? I mean are any of the people who post here third party auditors excluding the casinos and customers? lol If not, how can anyone be right?

    Please excuse me I can be dingy!!lol



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