Regarding MG and return percentage.

[Rusty]

I did say I would not post but I think if you are going to play online you should be armed with as much knowledge as possible as to how the software is likely to perform.

In my experience accross multiple MG casinos over the Years the returns are around 88-92% some a little higher and some lower, overall a little less than what would be expected.

Following any unlikely winning streak and cashout has followed an equally unlikely losing streak and this is without exception so obviously an unlikely coincidence there.

I have just closed my account with Ladbrokes after experiencing this again and here are my statistics as provided by Ladbrokes for Cashapillar for the last 10 Days though according to my calculations the figures are even worse.

(My overall payout at Ladbrokes is within the expected range, though largely because of one exceptional winning session, this is not the issue)

Total games played: 3806
Total staked: 1,001.06
Total returned: 669.00

I have made £370 in deposits lowrolling in this period and made no cashouts.
I played Cashapillar almost exclusively but other games have similar statistics so according to my calculations about 5000 games and 65% return.

Those figures on their own coming immediately off the back of a good cashout should set alarm bells ringing but when I match it to past experiences with other MG casinos then there is a clear pattern that suggests very strongly the slots are weighted and account history is factored in.

I have almost identical experiences with RTG, a big win followed by Thousands of spins and lots of dconsecutive deposits with below 70% return.

The statistics are there, fact, so I can either put it down to coincidence that my highest run of payouts are followed by lowest run of payouts or I can take a more considered scientific view.

Of course these are my online slot playing experiences and of course you should make any judgment from you own results.
I am just putting this into the collective online conscience so that you are aware of what to look for.

Of course if nobody else (real players please) has had these experiences then my statistics stand alone as a unique and extroadinary example of cultured variance.

My advice is to play low stakes and enjoy it for the good entertainment it can be but be aware in my experience a time of unprecedented abundance will be followed by a time of unprecedented drought.
Takes the edge of it doesn't it?

Good luck all.

[spiderlegz]

Nothing extraordinary and a very small sample.
One thing I have noticed it doesnt seem to be about the number of bets, rather the wagered amount.
These stats (includes some VP but mostly slots) are from a MG casino and indicates that when the wagering was high the payout percentage was quite much higher. Altough thats logical, with higher payout the money lasts longer.

January
Wagered 12,154.07
Payouts 11,084.03
Bets 1070
Percentage 91%

February
Wagered 67.04
Payouts 37.04
Bets 135
Percentage 55%

March
Wagered 17,526.68
Payouts 15,848.43
Bets 17359
Percentage 90%

April
Wagered 4,435.35
Payouts 3,609.35
Bets 5810
Percentage 81%

May
Wagered 1,372.69
Payouts 962.70
Bets 1300
Percentage 70%

June
Wagered 5,971.03
Payouts 4,807.02
Bets 10080
Percentage 81%

July
Wagered 17,294.56
Payouts 16,187.64
Bets 5989
Percentage 94%

August
Wagered 4,251.76
Payouts 3,716.68
Bets 2054
Percentage 87%


At one RTG I had under 87% with about 60k wagering and about 80k bets.

[AudiManinBoro]

I know for a fact that in some certain ways ALL mg casinos are linked SOMEWHERE to a certain server or a central database of some fashion. In terms of having a lucky streak, your right at some point the lucky streak will cease and it wont matter Which mg casino you play at afterwards, your losing streak will continue. I KNOW all mg casinos are linked because i have seen on a few occasions now, that sometimes there is a problem logging on. Ok you think so this casino isnt working, lets try another mg, oh look this one doesnt log on either, how about a third? same thing?? surely they cant ALL be like this. Well sorry but they were and are and ive seen it a few times now, and if that doesnt tell you they are all linked in some fashion you need to really take your head out of the sand

[slotplayer]

I know for a fact that in some certain ways ALL mg casinos are linked SOMEWHERE to a certain server or a central database of some fashion. In terms of having a lucky streak, your right at some point the lucky streak will cease and it wont matter Which mg casino you play at afterwards, your losing streak will continue. I KNOW all mg casinos are linked because i have seen on a few occasions now, that sometimes there is a problem logging on. Ok you think so this casino isnt working, lets try another mg, oh look this one doesnt log on either, how about a third? same thing?? surely they cant ALL be like this. Well sorry but they were and are and ive seen it a few times now, and if that doesnt tell you they are all linked in some fashion you need to really take your head out of the sand

Ever notice how all the MG games will be dead at the same time?

I've only played a couple of MG's and no other brands but I don't need to keep any data to know the payback % is quite low. It seems to me that ever since that guy won the 5 mil (around April 2008) something changed, before that they seemed to give decent bang for your buck. Now it takes hundreds of spins to get a bonus round and it's usually at the penny wagers.

[AussieDave]

I know for a fact that in some certain ways ALL mg casinos are linked SOMEWHERE to a certain server or a central database of some fashion.

Paycheck and CashCheck link directly back to MG servers. This also took place in the pre Viper years.

I do have a sneaky suspicion that some MG casino's post Viper use additional systems to track play. Of course my hunch centre's around winning and losing, but I don't want to start any conspiracy agenda's just yet

When I was really going hard (I only play slots) doing around 3million play thru a year, there were times when all of a sudden it's like someone (or something) flicked the win switch. I couldn't lose. This would general last for 20 - 30 min then go totally cold again.

<derail>
There was talk 4 maybe 5 years ago that Playtech casinos actively monitored playing styles with Video Poker and used this data, to influence card draws, based on what the player usually held. Didn't play Playtech so it didn't concern me.
</derail>


Times when I'm getting fully bleed dry, I've tried up to 7 casinos in one night, but all produced the same results.

Granted sometime it all comes down the Lady Luck. But sometimes you just have to wonder.

The longest losing streak was 4 months and in that time I dropped around $30K. By the end of it I was about ready to call it quits, for good. I contacted my VIP manager, had a bitch and the next month the slots hit no matter what I did, or no matter what I played. That continued for a few days but then everything went back to usual again.

I generally consider myself to be rather fortunate when playing, so although I don't expect to win all the time, I do from many years of playing know that my losing streaks don't last that long.

Of course I could always get my pay-logs and suss out the pay-back percentage. But Doing this manually is going to take me 10 years.

Although I think some casinos are hooked into MG in other ways over and above Playcheck & Cashcheck, I don't see how you'd ever prove this beyond doubt.

If I had a dollar for every time the question is asked...Are online casino games really random? I'd be a millionaire. Still it's a damn good question

Being blown off with the usual answer of our games use a RNG (random number generator) doesn't really say much. Because there is more than just one type of RNG.

Playing the devil's advocated & taking this a step further, unlike a land based casino where all games are monitored by a government gaming authority, online casinos are not. Before you say oh eCogra monitors this, think again...

http://www.ecogra.com/approved.aspx?OP=P
eCogra states "While eCOGRA does its utmost to ensure compliance with its principles, it cannot offer 100% assurance that the operation of any games at any given site is at all times in accordance with the eCOGRA requirements."

Although I have no guarantees of what really takes places 100% of the time with RNG's gaming servers. I only play at 32Red (and yes they are MG) least I feel I'm getting a fair deal.

Cheers
T

[Jane_E]

MG sucks they have changed somthing, impossibal to get some winnings this days , take a look at winner screenshot this days you almost NEVER SEE some big MG winnings take a look a year ago almost every day tons of big MG winnings so somthing have happend since mars april this year !!!!!


Stop playing at MG so maybe they one day understund they will lose al players if things countinue like MG works today !

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

I know for a fact that in some certain ways ALL mg casinos are linked SOMEWHERE to a certain server or a central database of some fashion. In terms of having a lucky streak, your right at some point the lucky streak will cease and it wont matter Which mg casino you play at afterwards, your losing streak will continue. I KNOW all mg casinos are linked because i have seen on a few occasions now, that sometimes there is a problem logging on. Ok you think so this casino isnt working, lets try another mg, oh look this one doesnt log on either, how about a third? same thing?? surely they cant ALL be like this. Well sorry but they were and are and ive seen it a few times now, and if that doesnt tell you they are all linked in some fashion you need to really take your head out of the sand

I actually was suspecting the same about RTG because I was having horrible dry spells everywhere else after i won 2K on one.

Interesting how they(MG) determine that you already won and "ban" you from winning again if you have a separate account for each casino?? I tried playing on my laptop instead, not sure if it help though....

[AussieDave]

Interesting how they(MG) determine that you already won and "ban" you from winning again if you have a separate account for each casino??

Do you have solid proof (as in facts) of this?

Otherwise like my post it is just speculations.

Cheers
T

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

No, of course i don't have a proof, sorry may be i did not phase it properly ( multitasking at work lol)

i was thinking how it could be done because i was rather annoyed with RTG as i could not win again and then read this post about MG.

Do you have solid proof (as in facts) of this?

Otherwise like my post it is just speculations.

Cheers
T

[AussieDave]

i was rather annoyed with RTG as i could not win again and then read this post about MG.

[derail]
You won 2K and then experienced dry spells on other RTG's. I'm intrigued to ask a couple of questions if you don't mind
What length of dry spells? And where they combined or did you have reasonable wins inbetween?
Where the other RTG's you played at from 1 group or mixed?
Do you normally play only a few favourite slots or do you try many in one session?
Have you won since?
How much do you play per spin?
[/derail]


Cheers
T