SimonSays "Scandalous!"

[Rusty]

How about these for slot stats at SimonSays casino

I wagered $130 and played 660 spins on As the Reels turn 3

It took 90 spins before my first winning bet, yes 90!
I went 70 spins without winning a single cent!
In 660 spins I had less than 30 winning bets,yes 30! (<1 in 22 spins)
in all I had less than 70 spins that yielded any return at all!(<1 in 9 spins)

I hit the free spins 6 times paying an average of 20XBet
One set of free spins payed zero (bare in mind the first Two reels have expanding wilds)

I hit the bonus round 3 times paying an average of 42Xbet

I wagered around $285
RTP was around $155

That is a 54% return over 660 spins even after hitting 2 good bonus round and the free spins 6 times and it would have been much worse but it gave a few wins Once I was down to $10

54 percent!

Absolutely disgusting but I'm an idiot for taking a bonus and playing there because I have had similar results before.
I dare say my entire slot returns are less than 60% maybe even less than 50% and that is what I call ripped off.

Thanks for the entertainment SimonSays that was really fun being screwed over

[anniemac]

If you think that slot is bad, try the new Western Wilderness. With line pays of $.02 and up, it will take you an awful long time to win back a $.20 bet.

I was playing off a free chip tonight at Sloto and hit 4 mixers on Jacques' Pot. Paid a whopping $.04.

I just had to laugh. And I have been spending my hard earned money on a slot that will pay me $.04 for a bonus round. What a big dummy!!

[ballysdb]

Actually I've been playing Western Wilderness at TIV and it has been paying really good.

I don't know if the payouts are better there?

[anniemac]

Deb,

I don't know about the difference in payouts but for me since the first day where I won $40 on it, it has not paid anything. I went through 3 deposits and never even got the free spins.

But good luck. Hope you hit thousands.

[KasinoKing]

That is a 54% return over 660 spins even after hitting 2 good bonus round and the free spins 6 times and it would have been much worse but it gave a few wins Once I was down to $10

54 percent!

Thanks for the entertainment SimonSays that was really fun being screwed over

Thanks for the stats - you're right that was a diabolical session.

Personally I don't like any of the story i-Slots - the payouts on them are generally crap. Though ATRT3 does seem to have more potential than the first 4, which means it's probably higher variance...

Re the software; I don't know for sure, but I would be totally gob-smacked if individual Rival casinos had any influence over the pay-back of any of their games.

[chuchu59]

Ah, so this is Simon Screws casino. No offence Sandra. Just joking. 3 months ago, I played ATRT3 and got crap for nearly 200 spins and all of a sudden the feature appeared and I got more than what I lost in the previous spins. However, like Scary Rich you are frustrated when you get nothing spin after spin and when you finally see the feature, you get crappppp.

[tim5ny]

I think you're supposed to lose...so everything went as planned!

[vinylweatherman]

I think you're supposed to lose...so everything went as planned!

Yes, but you are supposed to get a fair return of around 95%. It seems very odd that there are just so many naked spins being reported on these Rival slots. With this many naked spins, free spin rounds ARE going to pay "crap" most of the time, so where the hell does the "fair" RTP come from?

Do these slots have a large amount of the RTP coming from a very few, and very large, hits in the bonus round - this seems to be the case with Scary Rich. This would mean that the vast majority would get an RTP of 50% or less to feed the very small minority who hit the really big returns.

We know that Rival themselves can tweak these slots (this was stated to have been done earlier), they are not set in stone as they are at other software suppliers, including MG, but not RTG, who can also tweak the RTP within a 93% to 97% range.

[babs7262]

Hey Rusty

I have a question. Its not a judgement and Im truely just curious. How come you didnt move to a different game after the first 100 spins? I dont understand why you would even continue to 660 with payout percentages being so obvious after the first 100 or so? Was it a test? If so, than I understand

[chuchu59]

I play Rival slots regularly and it seems that while the overall RTP is roughly the same as before the variance for several slots have changed dramatically. Naked spins are plentiful and for those slots with free spin features, the payouts are crap. Take Hobo's Hoard for example. The free spins yielded $0 on more than a dozen occasions out of about 50. The pay tables have also changed. Previously in Grandma's Attic, you get the cost of your spin back for 2 scatters. Now they pay nothing. Given that 2 scatters appear quite a lot at this slot, the variance has definitely increased. I am not sure whether anyone connected with Rival will comment on this.