Microgaming.. WTH

[brianzz]

Has anyone noticed that for about the past 20 days or so (since the last game release) that you can't hit anything at Microgaming casinos? I deposit, lose, deposit, lose, on and on and on and on. I think of the past 20 days I've been up by just a few dollars 1 time depositing about $100 a day. Call it bad luck or whatever but eventually you'd think you'd have to win something. All I know is if a land based casino tightened down like the online casinos have, it'd be a ghost town.

I know they've done something to Hitman to make it just inhale the money, since my $1200 bonus, I've hit free spins 1 time in 20 days, pick a bonus a few times but it's always 2x the bet and PDA once for about 4X my bet. Cashapillar - nothing. Break Da Bank, I give up on that game. Microgaming is advanced enough they should have some way to exclude yourself from certain games like that lousy money sucking bank game. There was talk in the other threads about the AWP or whatever they're called games having some kind of memory for each player, they must've installed that feature in all the slots because you sure can't hit anything on them.

If the other casinos software weren't so damn boring I'd play there, but the few times I've played at the Rivals it's sucked the money right up, and since they're chumming around with the scumbags from 888 I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot deposit.

[james01]

Originally Posted by brianzz

If the other casinos software weren't so damn boring I'd play there, but the few times I've played at the Rivals it's sucked the money right up, and since they're chumming around with the scumbags from 888 I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot deposit.

My understanding was that the 888 deal was with the Rival software providers, not the licensees - that is, that 888 will be offering Rival games under their own label, and won't be affiliated with rival sites in any manner.

[brianzz]

I'm sure 888 will let them know the ways of the business.. Much like the many faces of Oliver Curan did with the other RTG's

[Nobunaga]

Brianzz.Why not give up on slots and play a back up game, like video poker, sports betting, poker, baccarat, or other games in which the house edge would be lower or could be managed better.

Slots always have high vigorish, so don't play them all the time.Treat yourself, play them for fun, but to be a professional slot player, would be extremely tough, if not very possible at all, to pay for a house, car and kids with all of that money, year after year.

You'll find that you can win at the other games with proper money management, and you'll have more fun and less depression from your losses.

Try it for a week and see.

Then PM me with your findings.

Nobunaga

[shadow123]

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I know they've done something to Hitman to make it just inhale the money, since my $1200 bonus, I've hit free spins 1 time in 20 days, pick a bonus a few times but it's always 2x the bet and PDA once for about 4X my bet. Cashapillar - nothing. Break Da Bank, I give up on that game. Microgaming is advanced enough they should have some way to exclude yourself from certain games like that lousy money sucking bank game. There was talk in the other threads about the AWP or whatever they're called games having some kind of memory for each player, they must've installed that feature in all the slots because you sure can't hit anything on them.

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I have to agree with you on Hitman , It is certainly not a random game and
and will take and take then give you an series of features, Osbournes is the same and I think they have both been tinkered with recently.
Cashapillar and Break Da Bank are both very high variance games,I know they do drop but they are not games I would chase losses on.

[matty]

i guess they're in big urge of getting money. luckly not playing there, but its not nice to hear it

[juliack]

I received a $2500 long time no see bonus from Bellerock. I stopped playing there last year because of a 6 month solid losing streak. When I checked my computer this morning the bonus was credited to one of my Bellerock accounts. I thought something might have changed over the past 8 months I have not played there. Bonus gone in less than 30 minutes. No change...no play. I am starting to feel quite controlled at MG casinos. There are certain jackpots you would expect to hit after playing heavily for 8 years. I probably should have hit a pat royal several times on power play VP but never have seen one other than the odd player playing far less than max dollars. The ratio of pat royals I have hit at B&M s would probably equate to 50 times online theoretically. Cheers

[brianzz]

Slots are pretty subjective, they hit for one person and not for the other, but I've noticed quite a few posts about MG slots being so tight they squeak as they spin. Something really must be rotten in casino land. Maybe MG has added the mythical sliding return that RTG has been known to have and adjust often. If you think a casino would have a game they couldn't change the odds/return on in the backend, you must be on drugs.

As far as those "independent audits" I've always thought that was a steaming load. I'd like to see how those stack up if you exclude progressive wagers/payouts, probably be far less than the 95%+ that most of them state or better yet a game by game by casino by denomination break down. But that would require actually having an independent audit.

While I'm on the audit subject. It seems online casinos are consistanly above par on the payouts on tables as opposed to B&M casinos. A eCogra certification I'm looking at now for a casino says across all tables had a hold of 3.13%. A B&M casino hold report for the same time period reports that the overall hold was 17.81%. I could understand a few % points, even 8 or 9% but over 14%? This is a consistant trend, B&M's hold more than online casinos? Are there really that many "professional level" table players on the internet? I don't think so. Even Las Vegas table holds aren't that low, they hang in the 13% a month neighborhood. And we all know how many card counters flock to Vegas every weekend not to mention the people that actually know what they're doing.

Nobody has ever really discussed a way to "tweak" the way cards are shuffled/dealt in VP to skew the returns from ones in a B&M casino. The slightest difference can throw the return off from what you would expect from say a 9/6 paytable. I'm sure it's possible.

Has it really ever been proven the that a 9/6 online VP paytable behaves exactly the same as a 9/6 B&M paytable, I suppose we just take for granted that it does. As much as Juilack plays this could be a case study if you could pull records of a majority of the hands you've played.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by brianzz

While I'm on the audit subject. It seems online casinos are consistanly above par on the payouts on tables as opposed to B&M casinos. A eCogra certification I'm looking at now for a casino says across all tables had a hold of 3.13%. A B&M casino hold report for the same time period reports that the overall hold was 17.81%. I could understand a few % points, even 8 or 9% but over 14%? This is a consistant trend, B&M's hold more than online casinos? Are there really that many "professional level" table players on the internet? I don't think so. Even Las Vegas table holds aren't that low, they hang in the 13% a month neighborhood. And we all know how many card counters flock to Vegas every weekend not to mention the people that actually know what they're doing.

You seem to be confusing hold and house edge.

[brianzz]

House advantage has nothing to do with it.

Hold is the figure (profit) after subtracting payouts from wagers on a casino table game. Win is the same for slots but it's reported as "Slot Win".

Fig 1. eCogra reporting a 3.13% hold (96.87 of wagers returned to players (minus) 100. (total wagers)=3.13)

Fig 2. Gaming authorities reporting a 17.81% hold (82.19% of wagers returned to player (minus) 100. (total wagers)=17.81)

The original question was, are there that many good table players that play online vs. B&M casinos? Don't think so