Predicting random

[Rusty]

Has anyone else played MG slots so much that they think they can predict how they will play?
For eg hallowenies after you hit the free spins with a retrigger will either put you back on very quickly or the scatter symbols will basically dissapear from reels 1 and 2 and you will often get scatters on real 4 and 5 together.
When the scatter eventualy comes in on real 1 you will not get another scatter with it.
Also if you hit a decent win you generally go 10/15 spins without a win straight after.
Twister plays exactly the same way.
With Aztec ritches I waited over 300 spins for the feature and I knew it would be garbage. I won 25 free spins and hit 1 win (9 lines) of 3 jacks hmmm very random I'm sure.
200 spins later and no more feature but I knew when my money was nearly gone it would keep giving 2 scatters as it usually does.
I find it is quite easy to predict when I'm on a losing streak but I always carry on to try and prove myself wrong
I wish I would
Anyway if winning/losing patterns do exist then even if you cashed out it or went bust they would be waiting for you next time.
Do any other regular slot players think they have spotted general patterns (winning or losing) or noticed the same things as me or have I finally cracked?

[I<3Microgaming]

I think you may be right if you're always playing the slots the same way (i.e: clicking spin at same intervals, always autoplaying, etc).

I have found some patterns too but I never play MG slots the same way... I vary my play (little bit of autoplay, a little manual clicking, waiting different intervals between spins, etc) and I have found it stays pretty random plus makes it much more exciting

[KasinoKing]

Do any other regular slot players think they have spotted general patterns (winning or losing) or noticed the same things as me or have I finally cracked?

Errrrrmmmm.....

If you set out to look for patterns chances are you will find them, particularly with such high variance games.
It is completely normal for people to think something is 'rigged' when they're having a bad run, but realistically it would be very counter-productive for the casinos; It's much better for them if you get a good run for your money - loads of fun playing time while they slowly take their 4-6% off you. If you have a good time you're much more likely to come back.
If they rigged the slots so you lost your stack in double quick time with a 60-70% return you'd likely soon give up depositing & playing there any more.

I wish I had the time to plot the reels on Halloweenies - I'm fairly sure there are 2 scatters on R1, maybe on R2 as well, and almost certainly 3 on R5.
My (large) gut feel is this is one on the easiest slots to get free-spins on.

KK

[Rusty]

hehe aztec gold 35 free spins 9 lines.
Wins=2
3 tens twice.

My (large) gut feel is this is one on the easiest slots to get free-spins on.
lol yeah about every 200 spins average but I used to think that.
ive played it thousands of spins lately and I reckon out of the last 10 times i got the spins i did'nt make *10 bet which is a joke.
Better still laddies has just crashed which is a shame as I was already 55 spins in on pollen nation without winning a spin higher than my stake, I may be making records here!

[Rettahs]

Errrrrmmmm.....

If you set out to look for patterns chances are you will find them, particularly with such high variance games.
It is completely normal for people to think something is 'rigged' when they're having a bad run, but realistically it would be very counter-productive for the casinos; It's much better for them if you get a good run for your money - loads of fun playing time while they slowly take their 4-6% off you. If you have a good time you're much more likely to come back.
If they rigged the slots so you lost your stack in double quick time with a 60-70% return you'd likely soon give up depositing & playing there any more.

I wish I had the time to plot the reels on Halloweenies - I'm fairly sure there are 2 scatters on R1, maybe on R2 as well, and almost certainly 3 on R5.
My (large) gut feel is this is one on the easiest slots to get free-spins on.

KK

KK, is Ho Ho Ho considered to be a low to medium variance slot? I used to love to play this one and for months I could catch the free spins with retriggers if I hung in there long enough but these last few months the hits just are not there no matter how long I hang in there and trust me I have stuck with it much longer than I should have 600+ spins several sessions now which to me seems a bit off for that slot. Last night I went over 500 before I just gave up. I know I should just stop spinning but I play for fun not just for the money that comes out of it and I used to enjoy playing that slot a lot so my only question is what is it considered a low to medium variance slot or just a crappy one that you can get lucky on some times lol :-).

Oh and by the way, how did you come out on that free chip with Prince of Sherwood? I saw your screen shots and had a free chip from an RTG and I played Prince of Sherwood also and like you it hit back to back 4 times in a row but my return was not as large as yours but I still found it funny how I do the best on free chips and or a capped bonus at the RTG's.

[reda]

i play a lot of rtg slots but i find patterns in those like you mentioned. it seems when slots are playing you can click on any game and most of them will be loose . and when you cannot hit NOTHING on certain days you can just about bet that all the slots are playing the same way. and then there are days when you trigger the features and your happy BUT YOU GET CRAP. its bad when you finally do triger features and your only betting 20 to 40 cents and the best you get back is less than 2 dollars. on days like that i find it useless to bet a 1.00 because your betting way more then you will get back.

[happygobrokey]

you can't predict slots. or anything served by a random number generator.

when you are losing, you can seem to predict losing spins because you're expecting one every time. similar to the "hit all the red lights" illusion. we've all felt like we just KNEW the dealer was going to pull that one-outer for 21 vs your pat 20. or that that freespins round would pay nothing. if it paid 1000x bet would you still remember how you were certain it would be a stingy one?

i empathize and can see what you mean, certain scatter icons appearing more than normal and seeming to always come after certain other events. try to be objective and look out for the spins that contradict your theory, and for yet more certainty and credibility, record the spins for further analysis possibly with a team of number crunchers. superstitiously, some say that the delays/hangs when playing are the computer rigging you to lose, and i agree i feel safer from tampering the faster the cards come. but truly there's nothing to worry about and these little anomalies/delays in packet sending are common in all online data transfers.

why are we always saying we can know when a dry spell or a close-but-no-cigar configuration is coming up? if you're going to discover a predictable string in these games, let's at least look for patterns of predictability in the win streaks, not the losing streaks eh! all above is JMO don't lynch me

[KasinoKing]

KK, is Ho Ho Ho considered to be a low to medium variance slot?
Oh and by the way, how did you come out on that free chip with Prince of Sherwood? I saw your screen shots and had a free chip from an RTG and I played Prince of Sherwood also and like you it hit back to back 4 times in a row but my return was not as large as yours but I still found it funny how I do the best on free chips and or a capped bonus at the RTG's.

I'm no Zoozie, but I reckon Hohoho is very low variance; You hit lots of wins - probably on more than 50% of the spins - but they are mostly very small.
The free-spins hit on average every 100-120 spins. The payout is still relatively low as it's only x2, but what I like is that you get 20 spins which gives you a better chance than other slots of a re-trigger! I once had it re-trigger 4 times for a total of 100 free-spins!

The RTG: Hey I'm a low-roller - it will be weeks before I finish the WR on that!

KK

[Rusty]

you can't predict slots. or anything served by a random number generator.

when you are losing, you can seem to predict losing spins because you're expecting one every time. similar to the "hit all the red lights" illusion. we've all felt like we just KNEW the dealer was going to pull that one-outer for 21 vs your pat 20. or that that freespins round would pay nothing. if it paid 1000x bet would you still remember how you were certain it would be a stingy one?

i empathize and can see what you mean, certain scatter icons appearing more than normal and seeming to always come after certain other events. try to be objective and look out for the spins that contradict your theory, and for yet more certainty and credibility, record the spins for further analysis possibly with a team of number crunchers. superstitiously, some say that the delays/hangs when playing are the computer rigging you to lose, and i agree i feel safer from tampering the faster the cards come. but truly there's nothing to worry about and these little anomalies/delays in packet sending are common in all online data transfers.

why are we always saying we can know when a dry spell or a close-but-no-cigar configuration is coming up? if you're going to discover a predictable string in these games, let's at least look for patterns of predictability in the win streaks, not the losing streaks eh! all above is JMO don't lynch me

I ca'nt afford the rope to string you up
It certainly would be interesting to look at it more objectively and do some number crunching after all this would prove or disprove what I am saying.
The problem is of course how big do you make the data set and who wants to do such a painstaking unpaid task?

However, there are definately patterns in hallowenies for eg
You only need to play it for a few thousand spins and you will notice certain patterns of how the scatters fall.

1) you will notice that when you hit the scatters on reel 1 and 2 it is rare for you to hit the feature.(actually less often than say when you hit reel 1 and 3 or any other combo) this is significant as statiscally it should be more often.

2) You will notice how often you hit the scatters on both reel 4 and 5 when you have no other scatters.Again this is far more than is statiscally likely.

if you can be bothered to play it for long enough the above patterns will be very obvious.
I have noticed other low variance slots with free spin scatters have the same patterns such as Twister and munchkins.

I guess if nobody else experiences the same thing then I will do the numbers.
as it is possible that it is just suggestive reasoning on my part.

Might need to enlist some help from Zoozie if comes down to numbers.
I guess you know the reel lay out Zoozie?

[XXLClubCasino]

You might know or not that some RNG are taking additional daily/hourly weather forecast values or values from the stock market (exchange rates etc.) to generate their random numbers this to add additional non CPU related varience to further increase the randomness.

This could also explain that on some days those external data are more favorable to a particular slot and there for the hit frequency is higher on some days.

At the end of the day it always come down to the fact that perfect RNGs are not predictable and this is definitely one of the main difference between a good casino software and a free casino game for windows based on the windows random engine function.