Have Microgaming lost the plot?

[KasinoKing]

Right of the bat I want to point out that I am NOT knocking Microgaming casinos.
A fully installed and correctly function MG casino is a wondrous thing to behold – a shear pleasure to play at!

My issue is with Microgaming themselves – the software development team.
There have been numerous and increasing posts here at CM bemoaning the problems, and all but a very few remain un-addressed.

These are my main gripes (all loosely related):

Initial Download: When players download a casino for the first time it takes 3-4 hours for the full package to install. During this time the games are subject to slow/jerky play & long connection delays, particularly noticeable on slots when the reels can spin for up to a minute or even more!
Imagine a new online gambler downloading a MG casino for the first ever time to try it in fun mode – what is their initial impression going to be?

Monthly Upgrades: When they release new games each month, it seems they update all the existing games also (Re: VinylWeatherman) – but why??? Again, slow jerky play for a couple of hours.

Size: The casinos are ridiculously vast and use up big chunks of people’s hard drives which they would probably prefer to use for something else.

New games: It seems to be compulsory for them to release at least 4 every month. What do we have now – something like 200? So in two years time we’re going to have at least 96 more – a 50% increase! This will only add to the problems above.

Old Games: Why don’t they ever correct the ‘silly glitches’ on the existing games e.g. What on Earth, Harvey’s and some of the other variable multiplier slots.

Playcheck: We don't want to see just 100 spins/hand per page, we also want a totals summary like the brilliant logs Crypto's have. Right now it’s about as useful as a chocolate teapot!
If you don’t know what that means, see this:- http://www.plokta.com/plokta/issue23/teapot.htm
(Thank GrandMaster for that one! )

In summary:
When are they going to take their collective heads out of their butts and realise we players don't want an automatic download of the whole blinking casino every time!
Either give us the choice to only download the games we want (as it was a few years back), or download just one 'package' of games per computer which can be accessed & used by ALL Microgaming casinos.
Why don’t they take a month or two off from churning out yet more new games which players are hardly crying out for, and spend it reviewing and finding ways to improve the overall software package to make it more user-friendly.

I think they’ve completely lost the plot – do you agree? Vote now!

KK

[Rusty]

Is it a secret ballot?

[Simmo!]

I don't think they have lost the plot, but I do agree with all the issues you mention. The days of just installing a new MG to try it out are long gone.

But on the bright side, it does encourage loyalty

[vinylweatherman]

I don't think they have lost the plot, but I do agree with all the issues you mention. The days of just installing a new MG to try it out are long gone.

But on the bright side, it does encourage loyalty

They have lost the plot because they are losing players. Surely the reasoning behind these changes and new games is to GAIN players.

It does not even encourage loyalty, every perfectly running MG is a joy to behold.... for about a month, and then the sh1t hits the fan again, it can take days or weeks to get back to the idyllic state of smooth running casinos, but you know the longest this will last is 4 weeks.

This month, I have more or less lost All Slots and Royal Vegas due to a permanent bug. Even a complete clean out and reinstall from scratch has not helped, despite taking nearly 10 hours in total for the pair. Although All Slots are looking into this, it seems they are getting nowhere once they have to refer the problem onwards, presumably to MG. MG often respond that they cannot replicate the problem in their lab, so their isn't one

I have observed glitches this month on my NEW PC, this is just plain silly, it is so far ahead of what the average player has there should be ZERO issues.
There is an old bug in the autoplay of Thunderstruck slots, another where the first two reels stop and 3-5 just keep on spinning away, until you crash out of the game (it has nothing to do with connections, as the result has reached the client & displayed on first two reels).

The download managers cause problems in themselves on many systems, as they attempt to manage the download as though the system was on dial-up. Many have fast broadband, and it would be simpler to directly download the casino file.

As to speed, the full casino is 600Mbyte+, large, but not 4 hours worth! What is wrong with being able to download the entire compressed 350Mbyte casino package in a single go (admittedly, a download manager would be useful here), and install everything locally in one operation. The common package PKZIP has an option to do this, it can extract files and put them in a tree of directories beneath the main directory, which can be chosen by the player. It should not take anything near 4 hours installing this way through fast broadband.

It is possible to alter the system environment to prevent an MG casino from "seeing" the monthly update. In such a case, the casino behaves as though it has yet to be issued, no spluttery games etc. Only the new games will not be available, everything else will work in the state it was in the month prior. Reversal of the environment change is easy, and will allow the upgrade to proceed, preferrably over 4 to 5 hours of night time.

[Mousey]

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The download managers cause problems in themselves on many systems, as they attempt to manage the download as though the system was on dial-up. Many have fast broadband, and it would be simpler to directly download the casino file.

As to speed, the full casino is 600Mbyte+, large, but not 4 hours worth! What is wrong with being able to download the entire compressed 350Mbyte casino package in a single go (admittedly, a download manager would be useful here), and install everything locally in one operation. The common package PKZIP has an option to do this, it can extract files and put them in a tree of directories beneath the main directory, which can be chosen by the player. It should not take anything near 4 hours installing this way through fast broadband.....

That has always been one of the biggest conundrums for me. When DSL finally became available a few years ago, I signed up immediately. Silly me, I presumed casino downloads would then be a breeze. Everything else on the net zooms along, but the MG casino downloads still chug along, spitting and sputtering and grinding ... for hours. To download and install a couple of games should not take 2 (or more) hours on 1.5 mbp DSL. The process is agonizing.

You mentioned something else I've wondered about -- why, for a new casino install, they can't let us download a big fat .exe file and install it ourselves -- then after installation have the casino 'upgrade' and get the newest bits downloaded and installed.

Whether new install or monthly 'upgrade', in this day and age, (especially on a high speed connection) it should not take hours and hours!

[vinylweatherman]

That has always been one of the biggest conundrums for me. When DSL finally became available a few years ago, I signed up immediately. Silly me, I presumed casino downloads would then be a breeze. Everything else on the net zooms along, but the MG casino downloads still chug along, spitting and sputtering and grinding ... for hours. To download and install a couple of games should not take 2 (or more) hours on 1.5 mbp DSL. The process is agonizing.

You mentioned something else I've wondered about -- why, for a new casino install, they can't let us download a big fat .exe file and install it ourselves -- then after installation have the casino 'upgrade' and get the newest bits downloaded and installed.

Whether new install or monthly 'upgrade', in this day and age, (especially on a high speed connection) it should not take hours and hours!

A few groups provide a download for the full install. Unfortunately, they don't keep it up to date, and it often lags several months behind on the update cycle. Also, the full install insists on loading itself entirely into RAM to self extract, far too big a mouthful when it gets to around 300Mbyte+. Great for new systems though. The CD does the same, but is even more out of date.
I can download a full install for an MG in 15 to 20 minutes, with a further 10 mins for the whole install process on this old system. Downloading the casino the "normal way" can take two to four hours. Far from making the task easier, it seems the process is deliberately designed to be slow. I also note that some MG casinos manage the update process far faster than others, since the process is the same at all MG casinos, why does one take under an hour, and another, 5 hours?

Even my new system is experiencing a few problems,

I already have a CRAY Supercomputer on order for next month

[dealer wins]

You might like to pre-order one of these new processors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6354225.stm

[amatrine]

I have stopped paying MG casinos as result of this. When I load one of those casinos on here, my system slows to a crawl. I agree, get rid of the instant download. I have super fast DSL , and it will take me about 10 minuits to laod an MG , compared to two hours when I had dialup, but I dont need all those games taking up my space. I have so much on my computer, my space is limited.

Ama

[tim5ny]

Personally, I love it when new games come out, and I would like to see new ones coming every month for the next ten years, but that's just me. Now don't take this wrong, but the only ones complaining every month when new games come out are the bonus chasers who run to and fro to every casino imaginable. That's why you're running out of disc space! You have ten MG casinos loaded.. or more. I've always been of the mind that you should find one good casino per software type and be loyal to it, and it will be loyal to you! Keep bringing new slots Microgaming please, but please stop just making clones of old slots with different symbols!

[vinylweatherman]

Personally, I love it when new games come out, and I would like to see new ones coming every month for the next ten years, but that's just me. Now don't take this wrong, but the only ones complaining every month when new games come out are the bonus chasers who run to and fro to every casino imaginable. That's why you're running out of disc space! You have ten MG casinos loaded.. or more. I've always been of the mind that you should find one good casino per software type and be loyal to it, and it will be loyal to you! Keep bringing new slots Microgaming please, but please stop just making clones of old slots with different symbols!

Sadly, the casinos also "chase". Often, loyalty is punished, rather than rewarded (common business practice). If you play too long in one place, they stop giving you even the promotions intended for repeat players, BUT, uninstall them and play elsewhere for a while and suddenly they "remember you", and start offering you loyalty offers.
Loyalty does not prevent problems updating either, one MG casino misfiring is just as bad as 10 misfiring, you can't have any fun.
By far, the best idea that has come out of this is to do what pretty much every other desktop developer has done, store files that are common to many applications in a common folder, and install only those specific files that make the difference in the program folder. Microgaming could have a central update of all the common game files done in the same way that Windows update works, or even the many other vendors that use an automated update process, such as Apple for iTunes, Adobe for the reader, and AntiVirus and security applications.
MG could have one folder, Program Files/common/microgaming/<files>, for all the core game files, with the folders Program Files/<casinoname>/<files> containing files that add the branding to specific casinos. MG could also have a central full install, where broadband users could install all the common game files in one hit, and then add the latest branding files, also in one hit. As well as saving space, it will prevent conflicts between different MG casinos, less chance of corruption, and far less fragmentation of the hard drive (MG casinos use huge numbers of very small files, this wastes a heck of a lot of space as many are a fraction of the size of the default minimum allocation block used by the file systems*.


* Experiments may follow


Multi core processors will help, but it depends whether the software is programmed to take advantage. When we had the CRAY for atmospheric modelling at work (the Meteorological office), programs written for "normal" machines had to be recoded into a language called "Vector Fortran" to enable advantage to be taken of all the processor cores in making parallel calculations. As pointed out in the link above about the Intel Teraflop processor, even an MG casino does not do 80 things at once. It seems to do about three things at once when updating. 1)Downloading the MupQueued files, 2)Running the checking calculations and updating as needed 3)Running the lobby interface - the bit the users get frustrated with when 1) & 2) compete for a single processor at the same time.

Once updated, MG casinos tend to run OK because they are doing only the one thing, running the games. My Dual Core machine has far less trouble running a game while updating, indeed it can handle three simultaneously playing MG casinos, with slight wobbles evident at four. Any number can be simply open with little problems. It can simultaneously update three MG casinos, four causes problems. It is likely that the top end quad core machines will shortly become the MINIMUM requirement to have an all round fun experience at MG.

One major gripe with MG is the fact that some of their innovations are not compatable with Windows, but they do not offer guidance. I have even seen, today, an MG casino claiming it will run on Windows 95, and a 100Mhz machine - what utter Bollox I have one thing to say about this, UPDATE YER FRIGGIN' WEBSITE!