100% winnings on Playtech's roulette, just another scam ?

[Slotster!]

"You can't cheat an honest man"

There's a programme here in the UK called 'The Real Hustle', that analyses and explains various different cons, tricks, scams and hustles. Essentially, they explain that any potential 'mark' has to be willing to be slightly dishonest, and expecting to make a quick buck by any means neccesary...

These chaps are exploiting exactly that.

If you're able to morally accept potential 'winnings' by what is apparently 'beating the system' - you deserve everything you get IMHO....

[derelict]

Originally Posted by Slotster!

If you're able to morally accept potential 'winnings' by what is apparently 'beating the system' - you deserve everything you get IMHO....

I don't guess you'd mind then if your mom lost her savings to a nigerian scammer. That's an extreme example, but I see no reason to accept this type of behavior.

Still, if he's not willing to pursue it, I don't really care enough to find out what wonderful surprises their .exe may hold.

[soflat]

Originally Posted by orbiter 1

Hi all i fell for this scam about a month ago i got the exact same reply as alexandre.

What were you planning to do with the software? How much were you going to take the casinos for?

[nafanny29]

Tell me this thread is wind-up!!!!

Sending off $5000 for a device to cheat casinos.

Ok if it actually works you would be investigated to the hilt by any casino you manage to beat for $1000s and $1000s playing roulette, and of course they would never pay you. If the casino saw that your results were out of the relms of proberbility there is NO WAY you would be paid.

And downloading "software" from a dodgy source is jusk asking for huge problems and proberly a serious identity theft.

[Slotster!]

Originally Posted by derelict

I don't guess you'd mind then if your mom lost her savings to a nigerian scammer. That's an extreme example, but I see no reason to accept this type of behavior.

If she thought she could gain several thousand quid from apparently doing nothing, then yes. Or no. Whatever... The theory stands. The only time ANYONE can get stung by a financial con that requires acceptance and participation, is if they're under the assumption they are going to profit financially.

Nigerian/Wherever scammers are scum.
People who get sucked in are greedy and stupid.

My mum would struggle anyway, she can't even switch a computer on - much less pick up an email.

[quber]

I can't believe any one falls for these (or any) types of scams. If I had software that could beat the system why would i sell it? They are telling people to play low bets so as not to alert the casinos, why would I risk people playing big bets and exposing my software? Because it can't work!!!

The RNG can't be predicted, the games are played on the casino's servers, not on your computer, your computer is just fed the results to be displayed to you.

Remember, If it sounds 'too good to be true' then it is.

[Alexandre]

Hi everybody,

Could we focus the debate on the ability of the software to predict 100% of the time the right colour of any Playtech’s roulette (and who is behind it) and forget the legitimate but unnecessary questions about “you should not use this kind of tricks, how bad you are dirty cheater” ?
It is a fact that the software works on demo mode.
It isn’t a spyware, it doesn’t trick or substitute your casino software, ect…
I installed it on a PC, and played roulette from another PC, from a PlayTech casino which was already downloaded there a long time before.
Take as a fact that in demo mode, Playtech roulette gives predetermined series of numbers, or at least of colours.
It isn’t a spyware because I have all the tools and the ability to detect one and even if it’s a home made one which means that it is not yet registered by the anti virus companies, it doesn’t communicate with a server out there as I’ve checked every single packet of data coming to and going out of my PC.
For those who want to investigate properly this case, I will ask you to read carefully my first post as I’ve spent time to give as much information I could…when I read some of the answers posted, I doubt that’s what their authors have done.
I’ll try now to answer to everybody.
@Slotster: sorry, but none of your comments deserve that I spend time on it
@Linus: As I’ve said just before, it’s impossible because the software was hosted on another PC
@GrandMaster: no, because if you read what I first wrote, they ask you for 80% of your winnings up to 5.000 (so you pay after using they software which is an ASP application which means they can cut it whenever they want). I think that this is clearly a pretext, they hide their real business model, and their status (affiliate, affiliation marketing company, etc…), behind that. If they get the 5.000, perfect, it’s a bonus, but as Orbiter1 said it:

the problem is you don’t make a penny it just sucks your bankroll dry.
they must then collect there affiliate money and a percentage of your deposits,i checked one of their casinos affiliate programs and they get paid a good sum of money for people signing up.THIS IS ONE PLACE TO STAY WELL CLEAR OF!!!!!!

@Tiger2006: same as for Linus
@Orbiter: You should have done it easier….playing with 0.10$ to validate the software…but it’s true that when you’ve seen this software working perfectly for 1 day, getting you 100% winnings in demo mode, your doubts disappear. I’ve tested this with 4 people, we were using different PCs, from different places, one of them is a professional player and the other develops casino softwares, so that’s why we were very sceptic from the beginning till the end.
@Derelict: same as for Linus…but tell us what could you do if I would PM you ?
@Nafanny29: You are perfectly right…but that is where the scammer’s pitch is the most interesting. They explain that you can’t withdraw more than 6 to 8K$ a month, that you have to loose (that’s why the real version software doesn’t work 100%). For the same reason (not being caught) they ask you to tell them in which casino you will play, this way they know how many people they have using their software in each casino (personally, I think that it is the way they track their players, as an affiliate or whatever).
Believe me, all their pitch is just perfect and kudos to them because we’ve spent time chating with them, with multiple accounts at the same time, and everything they’ve said fits perfectly with their version.
Quber: Very good question…and their answer is just brilliant. The friend of mine who works for an operator told me that if somebody has developed a real software like that, he would act more or less the same way they do because casinos know exactly who is behind a player as they have his credit card number, IP address (and they can ask for much more when they have to pay you), etc.. You can’t use a software like that alone as casinos would catch you after the 2nd withdrawal. You can open and account in each Playtech casino, but many casinos are operated by the same company and you could take a little bit of money once or twice in several casinos but soon you’ll get caught and they wouldn’t pay you anymore.
So the best way would be to have players working for you.
Players would be like your affiliates.
The problem is that this way, the story is going to be revealed very fast and Playtech would patch his software.
On the other hand, the same friend explained to me that he believes that it is impossible to crack the RNG behind a casino software.
He says that Playtech’s real roulette is a real RNG, uncrackable, but that the demo version can’t be a RNG otherwise you couldn’t predict the colours.
He says then that the Playtech’s demo roulette gives predetermined series of numbers.
For me, this is the real scoop behind this story, and everybody can verify it within 5 minutes, downloading the software and feeding it with a series of 10 numbers given by any Playtech casino’s roulette. From then you can predict the next colours which will come out from the roulette. I did it so may times, with different casinos, predicting up to the next 100 colours (I could have done more, I was just getting bored) and the only time the software was wrong, was when the 0 was coming out.
The second conclusion which is, ay least to me, very important is:
Who and how profits the crime ?
Did he cracked the predetermined series of numbers algo or was it given to him ?
Is it just an affiliate or is it…at this point, I’m repeating myself, unfortunately.
I must admit, as the conclusion of this second post, that I’m a bit disappointed by the answers provided.
I hoped that maybe some of you would have downloaded the software and investigated but I see that except those who knew it already, none of the people who posted here tried to verify by themselves what I’ve said, otherwise I wouldn’t have to repeat again and again that IT REALLY WORKS IN DEMO MODE and that it is exactly why this scam is so disturbing because it imply many things.
It is those things I would like to discuss here, and not the “it doesn’t work”, “you shouldn’t even have dreamt of it, how dare you ?” and other easy to verify or just uninteresting issues.

[Slotster!]

Alexandre - my comments on this thread are intended in a 'general' way towards scams online and off... This is surely a legitimate 'tangent' considering the subject matter of your post? It's all my opinion in terms of 'financial' scams, where the lure is the potential to earn easy money - of which this is a classic example.

Moreover, I reiterate my opinion that anyone who tries it deserves all they get. I understand entirely (and share!) the 'technical' and 'inquisitive' nature of your post; I would suggest however that you understand the natural progression onto talking about scams and financial 'systems' in general.

[soflat]

The fact that it works in play-money mode is kind of interesting. Maybe there is a predetermined set of numbers, or some such thing in play mode.

But you can't make money in play mode, and Orbiter said it does not work in real-money mode.

If it worked they wouldn't sell it, and they definitely would not publicize it. All they would have to do is hit a few numbers in a row parlaying their winnings and they could have lived on easy street. A few wins in a row is normal and would not have alerted the casinos.

[nafanny29]

Alezandre maybe playtechs roulette has a set pattern in play mode. Say 300 preset numbers that repeat to infinity. And that anyone with the complete list would know what numbers are coming once they have seen any 10 in a row.

Then they could present this "system", back it up with "proof" to anyone who is skeptical.

They would then fleese your $5000 and when the user tries it on the real software it all goes horribly wrong.

Possible? Cleaver too if it is something like this!!