This is so wrong...

**rma20** · 19th May 2006, 08:06 AM

Ok I was looking on another site about online gambling...and came across a guys post talking about neteller, click2pay and firepay. Basically he said he ran up 7500 at neteller...and he did not have the money in his bank account to cover it so he went to close it. And then he is saying he doesn't have to pay neteller? That didn't make sense to me? Then he did the same thing to click2pay he ran up 10000 used a new bank account and then closed the account before the funds tried to come out. He is saying he just doesn't have to pay it now because the bank account was closed. How is this possible? I think that is BS because I use neteller and they have your information and everything. Wouldn't they come after you for the money? He was trying to say he doesn't have to pay them because the bank account is closed. That didn't seem to make sense to me. Wouldn't they send it to a collections agency or worse sue him? I don't really know the whole legal part of things but it would seem like he would not just get off from having to pay these people back. Have any of you ever heard of people running up charges like that and then getting off? I just think that is so wrong!

**winbig** · 19th May 2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by rma20

Ok I was looking on another site about online gambling...and came across a guys post talking about neteller, click2pay and firepay. Basically he said he ran up 7500 at neteller...and he did not have the money in his bank account to cover it so he went to close it. And then he is saying he doesn't have to pay neteller? That didn't make sense to me? Then he did the same thing to click2pay he ran up 10000 used a new bank account and then closed the account before the funds tried to come out. He is saying he just doesn't have to pay it now because the bank account was closed. How is this possible? I think that is BS because I use neteller and they have your information and everything. Wouldn't they come after you for the money? He was trying to say he doesn't have to pay them because the bank account is closed. That didn't seem to make sense to me. Wouldn't they send it to a collections agency or worse sue him? I don't really know the whole legal part of things but it would seem like he would not just get off from having to pay these people back. Have any of you ever heard of people running up charges like that and then getting off? I just think that is so wrong!

If he lives in the USA and isn't just talking BS, he'll be facing felony charges soon and probably getting some years in jail for just what it is....FRAUD (or more detailed, writing checks against a closed account)

**brianzz** · 19th May 2006, 11:43 AM

The US federal government says gambling debts aren't prosecutable (my own word) and are a civil matter.

**blubber** · 19th May 2006, 11:46 AM

How can you run up money on Neteller and Click2pay? I didn't know they gave credit. Is it with instacash?

**winbig** · 19th May 2006, 11:58 AM

They don't give credit.

Neteller, Firepay, click2pay, etc simply take your word that the funds are available. They don't check your bank account to see if the money is actually there before they submit it to the bank.

ps: yes, using InstaCash

**rma20** · 19th May 2006, 12:00 PM

winbig...thats what I was thinking. I didn't see how he could jsut get away with just closing the bank account before all the transactions hit. I mean they have his info I would guess. And yes I think he is from the USA..

blubber ~I am not sure exactly how it all works. But i think he said he got a good credit limit with those companies. I am not sure how he could do that either that is why I posted here about it because I just didn't see how he could do that.

Well I thought his whole situation sounded odd. And um its a little scary that he thought he could blow 17500 and not be held accountable for it. My guess is they will send his stuff to a collection agency or something...to try to get the debt.

**winbig** · 19th May 2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by rma20

blubber ~I am not sure exactly how it all works. But i think he said he got a good credit limit with those companies.

I don't think there's transaction limit(s) for using instacash. I guess click2pay is the same.

Originally Posted by rma20

Well I thought his whole situation sounded odd. And um its a little scary that he thought he could blow 17500 and not be held accountable for it. My guess is they will send his stuff to a collection agency or something...to try to get the debt.

Addictions do crazy things to people.

**Darem1** · 19th May 2006, 12:58 PM

This fellow needs to go to jail! He will hurt all of us because if you don't use instacash where the casino covers the fee and you have to deposit first to Neteller, there is a substantial service charge. I don't see how he could have run up such a large amount. I use Neteller and when you first start out you are giving a $3,000 deposit limit for a rolling seven days. Now I am talking cash here since I am in the States and they won't take our credit cards.
Once a certain amount has cleared your bank, I can't remember if it is $7,500 or $10,000 you can request a limit increase to $5,000. I don't know how restrictive they are after that, but to get to the level he claims he must have deposited a huge amount with Neteller that did clear his bank account.
Anyway, that's how Neteller works. I hate to hear about the cheats, scammers, and spammers. In the end they only hurt the rest of us who are trying to eck out a bit of spending money and have a good time. And someone so insolent to not only do it but brag about it! It is like saying, look at me, I am a lowlife piece of chit who is out for all I can get and I don't care who I hurt. Scum!

**pacers31** · 19th May 2006, 01:01 PM

Wow, that's alot of cash. I guess that is where the "trust" factor comes in with online wagering as it stands now. We have to trust that the site we deposit at will pay us when we win, and the site has to trust us that we will pay when we lose! I know that in Illinois gambling debts are not enforceable in court. Trust really is a difficult thing for both parties when it comes to online gambling.

**Slotster!** · 19th May 2006, 03:09 PM

Whole thing sounds like nonsense... Only because, had he won, how was he intending to cash out? Or was it just for fun? If so - why not just play with a guest account? Whole thing seems a bit pointless as you can't profit from it as such, and you're not receiving a 'product'.

I'm not sure how you could ever fund (and spend) from a Neteller account until the funds are cleared either - plus a bank won't let you close an account with 'pending' transactions...

Basically - none of it adds up.