GAMBLING FEDERATION: rules adhered to but winnings stolen

[caruso]

Caroline - if you're in the exact same position as Cristopher, ie. still out a packet of deposits, I'd urge you to contact Bryan as he did. If you can at least collect those, that's something.

[ChristopherB]

Hi all. The Gambling Federation still has not paid me my winnings. Sure, my deposits were returned and I can thank Bryan for that. But I am entitled to my winnings.

A friend of mine was able to attend the gaming show in Las Vegas about 10 days ago. He approched the Gambling Federation representative at the show and told her of my situation. She forwarded my complaint to Gambling Federation's management. They claim that the situation is resolved--that I had my deposits refunded and that the case is closed. This case is NOT closed. And Bryan, I hope that you do not consider it closed either. You cannot let them get away with taking advantage of their players. I have enlisted the help of others in the online gaming world to help me get my winnings and I will not stop until I am paid or until the entire online gambling community understands what kind of a sham the entire Gambling Federation is. Again, I urge all online gamblers to COMPLETELY AVOID all GAMBLING FEDERATION CASINOS. THEY DO NOT PAY THEIR WINNERS. And until I am paid what I am owed everyone will hear about it.

-Christopher

[caruso]

Glad to see you're sticking with this, Cristopher.

Which show are you reverring to? I can't believe Fogli and Paschini dared show their dirty faces at the CAC event, though they were with the GPWA folk. If I'd known your contact was going to buttonhole them their I'd have made a point of doing so myself as well. As it was, I totally forgot about them.

You are in the right, and you should certainly continue persuing this.

[caruso]

Already mentioned, but I'm updating this thread as it relates specifically to this issue.

Gambling Federation now blacklisted by Michael Shakelford, the "Wizard Of Odds".

http://wizardofodds.com/casinos/blacklist.html

The first reason is non-payment of winnings. In May 2005 A player by the initials CB opened accounts at 10 Gambling Federation casinos in the same day, all with the same bonus, and played them all in rapid succession. He had large wins at two of them, for a large overall net win. The Gambling Federation refunded all ten deposits for the reason he was clearly a bonus abuser. It is a long story but in the end they site (sic) the following rule as reason enough not to pay, although other reasons were originally disputed, "The Casino management reserves the right to withhold any funds if it suspects any foul play or manipulation with the Casino. It is recognized and agreed to by the Player that, in the case of any discrepancy whatsoever, management's decision on all matters will be final." The screenshots below show the two wins that were never paid.

The reason I blame G-Fed, as opposed to just the two casinos shown above, is that the decision to not pay the winnings came from G-Fed and not individual casino management.

My own discussion about this matter with the Fogli boys can be read here in my G-Fed at ICE report, and the player posted about this outcome at WinnerOnLine.

[dominique]

I am going to blacklist them too.

How can a person follow a rule no one told them about?

[paul02085]

IMO, GF are pond scum in the online casino business. Does Cindy Carley still deal with them? She seemed to be the only one who could get anything done with them.

[chuchu59]

GF is being smart here by refunding all the 10 deposits and claim that the player is a bonus abuser and to a certain extent he seems to be one. If the deposits were only returned to the 2 accounts where he registered big wins, GF cannot make such claims. The fact that the player played at all the 10 casinos in rapid succession played right into their hands as they(GF) can say that they could not possibly detect bonus abuse in time for them to label this player as such before he made his deposits at so many casinos.

[dominique]

Originally Posted by chuchu59

GF is being smart here by refunding all the 10 deposits and claim that the player is a bonus abuser and to a certain extent he seems to be one. If the deposits were only returned to the 2 accounts where he registered big wins, GF cannot make such claims. The fact that the player played at all the 10 casinos in rapid succession played right into their hands as they(GF) can say that they could not possibly detect bonus abuse in time for them to label this player as such before he made his deposits at so many casinos.

I don't agree. Playing at a number of casinos with the same software does not make one a bonus abuser.

Player finds new casino software. Plays, likes it, loses and decides to try the same software elsewhere for better luck. Wins sme, now really wants to try more.

I have played at a number of casinos with the same software on the same day. I don't even ever accept bonuses!

Just playing a number of casinos with the same software does not a bonus hunter make.

And it's the casinos responsiblty to let the player know that this is not acceptable.

[caruso]

Originally Posted by dominique

I don't agree. Playing at a number of casinos with the same software does not make one a bonus abuser.

More than that: playing at a number of casinos with the same software does not make any one player less entitled to their winnings than another, whatever their "playing style". Whether they wagered 100 times their deposit on slots, or hit-and-ran at the roulette wheel, the only relevant consideration in paying them their winnings is 1) their respecting the terms and conditions and 2) the general legitimacy of their accounts, financial instruments etc. If those two considerations are in order they are owed - be they slot sucker or bonus hunter.

At the risk of repeating myself, this is the multi-account rule:

Player may only operate one active account at any time. Players opening multiple accounts without first voiding their existing account are subject to being excluded from the Casino with all wins forfeited. In order to void an account, Players must contact Customer Support.

This clearly refers to multi-accounts at ONE casino. There is NO restriction regarding multi-accounts accounts across the whole family.

We've also been discussing this at the Sucks board since I posted about it last week - it's as good a place as any for G-Fed talk as it's monitored reasonably closely by the GPWA, who have reasonable clout with Cousins Fogli.

http://www.thiscasinosucks.com/cgi-b...m=1142352389/0

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