Should CAP be rogued?

[AussieDave]

From what I have read the certification is about how much money you wanna pay CAP not how great you are or how much you have done all about the money

With all due respect CAP is not the only aff program that places money above quality venues.

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For instance GA Partners are still Silver Affiliate Program Sponsors over at GPWA, even though the casino they represent (Golden Arch) still use the much publicised and strongly objected Line of Credit to players.

YYYhttp://www.gpwa.org/affiliateprograms/affiliate.asp?id=7145

Although I will not divulge any material posted to the private forum threads about GA Partners, I can assure people the Line of Credit was a hotly debated topic. As it was here on CM too.
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Just for the record I'm not about to be swayed by any alliance I may hold towards one aff association or the other. What Lou/CAP/Warren/Affiliate Media Management have allowed is wrong.

But from where I'm sitting things are starting to head down witch hunt alley when the topic of accredited programs are being thrown into the mix.

Cheers
T

[jas2587]

With all due respect CAP is not the only aff program that places money above quality venues.

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For instance GA Partners are still Silver Affiliate Program Sponsors over at GPWA, even though the casino they represent (Golden Arch) still use the much publicised and strongly objected Line of Credit to players.

YYYhttp://www.gpwa.org/affiliateprograms/affiliate.asp?id=7145

Although I will not divulge any material posted to the private forum threads about GA Partners, I can assure people the Line of Credit was a hotly debated topic. As it was here on CM too.
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Just for the record I'm not about to be swayed by any alliance I may hold towards one aff association or the other. What Lou/CAP/Warren/Affiliate Media Management have allowed is wrong.

But from where I'm sitting things are starting to head down witch hunt alley when the topic of accredited programs are being thrown into the mix.

Cheers
T

Trezz respect recieved an given but isnt this whole thread about CAP AKA Casino Affiliate Programs
an I was referring to the certification of CAP AKA Casino Affiliate Programs

Cindy

[mojo]

I'm going to be out of town for a couple of days, but during my absence I'll be kicking a lot of this around in my head. If these guys don't own up to what has been going on by the end of the week, or make some MAJOR overhaul, then I'll be doing what I do.

For many affiliates, eyes are upon you. Thank you for your consideration. Personally, it is important to me. I appriciate that you do what you do.

[jetset]

I'm thinking that corporate climb-downs are not easily accepted and may require some discussion at top management levels....but over a week has now passed since the culmination of the unpleasant events in London, along with the completion of GPWA's expose on EMG.

That should be more than enough time to put together a corporate statement which is clearly needed to bring this issue to some sort of conclusion, although bitterness will inevitably remain.

If the position taken is that the apparent conflicts of interest or "progressive disclosures" were blame-free then there's a need to justify that viewpoint imo.

I'm surprised that CAP/AMI/EMG management can't see that and have instead apparently decided to batten down the hatches and tough it out....with all the adverse perceptions that this course of action will generate and are already being manifested in this thread.

Is there a fear of legal consequences? I can't personally see where this would arise, but in common with most of us I'm on the periphery. Is it just a "full steam ahead and damn the icebergs" mentality? Who can say?

But I can say with certainty that there is a very real danger of alienating a large number of industry people at all levels if the perception is created that two fingers are being raised at all critics.

Just on a side note, I have to say that imv the promotion of the CAP event on the GPWA forum was quite cheeky, given all the foregoing angst.

Perhaps that's a positive indication that relations between the two affiliate bodies have been raised to a more "normal" and appropriate level. It says much for GPWA management that this was permitted and a more conciliatory tone supported by Michael Corfman imo.

Should GPWA decide to reciprocate with a promotion for one of its events on the CAP forum, it will be closely watched to see whether a similar management approach will be followed there.

[Simmo!]

That should be more than enough time to put together a corporate statement which is clearly needed to bring this issue to some sort of conclusion, although bitterness will inevitably remain.

It's possible that the opinion is that a corporate statement at this stage could just fan the fire as happened before. Maybe they think it makes more sense to wait until decisions have been made and make a statement that also shows what is being done. Many corporates take that path.

I'm surprised that CAP/AMI/EMG management can't see that and have instead apparently decided to batten down the hatches and tough it out....

There have beena couple of developments that make me think they are thinking hard about this, most notably the thread they asked Dom to run regards how members feel about certification, although what impact that will have is still uncertain.

Just on a side note, I have to say that imv the promotion of the CAP event on the GPWA forum was quite cheeky, given all the foregoing angst.

Tricky one: Alex works for an independent company on organisation and promotion of CAP conferences so he's only doing his job IMO, and it's up to Michael to decide who posts what on their forums. But I agree that it gives an odd impression to those who don't see the distinction, especially as some of his posts give the impression he is employed by CAP.

[Webzcas]

It's possible that the opinion is that a corporate statement at this stage could just fan the fire as happened before. Maybe they think it makes more sense to wait until decisions have been made and make a statement that also shows what is being done. Many corporates take that path.

After what has transpired over the last few months, surely it would make sense to actually release a public statement with a conciliatory tone. By keeping silent now of all times, makes a bad situation worse IMO. Not answering Bryan's questions over on the CAP Forum concerning Card Spike and then temporarily banning him was a really bad move. Making a public statement now to the affect that they ( Affiliate Media ) are sorry would be a good way to start mending broken fences.

There have beena couple of developments that make me think they are thinking hard about this, most notably the thread they asked Dom to run regards how members feel about certification, although what impact that will have is still uncertain.

Great an open discussion on the 'Certification' procedure with no actual input from the owners of CAP. In my view this is a deflection from the other issues such as Card Spike. Why not deal with Card Spike first, then the other issues afterwards. After all it is affiliates who are still owed money by the Card Spike program. This should be the number one issue addressed by CAP, as they are meant to represent AFFILIATES.

Tricky one: Alex works for an independent company on organisation and promotion of CAP conferences so he's only doing his job IMO, and it's up to Michael to decide who posts what on their forums. But I agree that it gives an odd impression to those who don't see the distinction, especially as some of his posts give the impression he is employed by CAP.

Not tricky at all, if common sense prevailed Alex would not have posted what he did. Michael unlike Lou lets everything industry related get discussed. Why should he have to censor his forums? However the timing of the post relating to a Cap Amsterdam Sponsored Event, on the GPWA of all places shows a distinct lack of tact and no concern for the pressing issues that affiliates want addressed. As I stated previously, it is akin to CAP giving us ( affiliates ) two fingers.

BTW thanks for changing my vote from no to yes as I requested in a pm

[Simmo!]

However the timing of the post relating to a Cap Amsterdam Sponsored Event, on the GPWA of all places shows a distinct lack of tact and no concern for the pressing issues that affiliates want addressed.

Yeah that was a major eye-opener for me I must admit, although it was scheduled before all the issues arose (Pre Barcelona in fact), so the latter part of your statement I don't think is especially relevant.

[Webzcas]

Yeah that was a major eye-opener for me I must admit, although it was scheduled before all the issues arose (Pre Barcelona in fact), so the latter part of your statement I don't think is especially relevant.

It's very relevant as the post was made yesterday! Promoting a CAP Event on the GPWA yesterday which is directly competing with the CAC, of which the GPWA is openly supporting.

Business as usual guys, forget about what has gone on over the last few months and come to our conference in Amsterdam.

What has the scheduling got to do with this?

Meanwhile the CAC no longer has a forum on CAP.

[Simmo!]

It's very relevant as the post was made yesterday!

Oops - sorry. Misread your post - thought you meant the timing of the scheduling But at the end of the day it's up to Michael who posts on his forum.

[Webzcas]

I have no issue with Michael allowing anyone to post on his forum. In fact it is commendable that he allows it. My issue is with CAP acting as if nothing has happened. The post made yesterday promoting the CAP Euro Amsterdam Event was nothing short of audacious IMO.

I thought I had made this clear already.