Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[Pinababy69]

I swear I have to use a whip to control him.

I have that problem with men all the time.

K, back on topic....sorry, but you put it out there, lol.

[winbig]

I have that problem with men all the time.

K, back on topic....sorry, but you put it out there, lol.

I'll come visit you as long as you promise to get the whip out.

</derail>

[Slotster!]

There's an awful lot of skirting the issue and blowing hot air round and about the actual important bits - mainly on that other board...

Never one to sit on the fence - this, imho, is a definite ploy from someone blatantly (and absurdly) avoiding the point.

Cipher -- do yourself the world of good and answer three very easy, straightforward questions:

1) Why haven't you given this man his money back?
2) Why haven't you given this man his money back?
3) Why haven't you given this man his money back?

Hey Cipher, if you really need the cash - Sunny Group are looking for a payments manager... Sounds like you're ideally qualified.

Idiot.

[winbig]

Hey Cipher, if you really need the cash - Sunny Group are looking for a payments manager... Sounds like you're ideally qualified.

Idiot.

LMAO!

I actually think he's OVERqualified for that position.

[tim5ny]

Call me a silly goose if you'd like, but doesn't the claim that Bodog welcomes people to come in and try out the Cipher system speak volumes about wheather it works or not? I mean if the casino is not worried about it, then how good can it be?

[Pinababy69]

Call me a silly goose if you'd like, but doesn't the claim that Bodog welcomes people to come in and try out the Cipher system speak volumes about wheather it works or not? I mean if the casino is not worried about it, then how good can it be?

Whether or not Cipher's BJ system works or doesn't work..is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not Cipher accepted 20K from this guy as an investment. If he did, where's the money?

1. The Cipher system doesn't work and there were no profits made off the 20K.

2. The Cipher system does work and Cipher made a killing with the 20K.

3. The initial 20K investment was never used for playing BJ or any other game.

If what WB posted is true, Cipher still has $17,600 of the original amount given to him. Regardless of what it was used for, or whether any money was made off of it, he needs to return this man's money.

It's too easy to get sidetracked with what the money was used for, or if there was a profit made from it. Pretend it was a straight up loan from one person to another. There is a balance owing of $17,600 (at least).

If we have all the relevant facts.

[soflat]

If you give someone money to play blackjack, don't you know for certain there is a chance the player will run into some bad luck and lose it all? Was this really presented by Cipher as a safe investment (can't lose your principal under any circumstances)?

One other thing, where is the text of the emails where you set up the arrangement? You give emails begining where you started trying to collect. Why don't you show the earlier emails?

[Pinababy69]

This was taken from the Blackjackinfo.com site. Cipher has not denied that he definitely owes WB the sum of $17,600. They've done a good job there of holding him to the facts. He has just posted an offer that he says is good for one hour only.

Posted by Cipher at Blackjackinfo.com

No, there's nothing civil about it ZEN. Tell you what I'm going to be leaving Visalia in about an hour and 10 minutes fo a nice relaxing weekend at the BUICK Invitational.

This is a one time offer good until 3:00 PM Pacific time and it's not negotiable.

I'll agree to pay Liquid Chips (aka Tim Bell) a total of $17,600.00 the sum that is equal to all funds on deposit from the aforementioned Tim Bell with me at the rate of $500.00 (Five Hundred and 00/100's) on the first and fifteenth day of each month until the total sum of $17,600.00 is paid in full to TIM BELL and no others.

You've got an hour.

Cipher

He made that post at 4:58. That's all fine and dandy, but what guarantee is there that he will even stick to it? And at that rate, it will take WB a year and a half to get his money back. Anyone have an opinion?

[winbig]

I think he's trying to buy time. What's the statute of limitations for something like this? What says he makes a few payments and quits?

Although, the more payments the better..

And on the other hand, I think he just hung himself. He admits fully that he owes the money and wants to make payments. No judge will throw that out of court.


I would get with the admin of the site and get the IP info of who posted it, just to make sure it was cipher.

[silkprint]

My opinion is this ...
That sucks
Obviously the money is gone .