Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[tencardcharlie]

Originally Posted by NextToYou

This thread is hilarious. How stupid one has to be to believe that someone can beat online blackjack in long term (without promotions or bonuses) and then give him money?

Things are bad enough for WB as it is. You don't have to rub it in.

[onemoorebaby]

Originally Posted by NextToYou

This thread is hilarious. How stupid one has to be to believe that someone can beat online blackjack in long term (without promotions or bonuses) and then give him money?

The game is -EV, one will lose in long term, daa?

I looked at cipher website and looking page 5 sec one with brains can understand that the program he sells is total BS and whole site is just a try to "scam" some money. Scam with quotemarks, because it´s not illegal to sell something, like horseshit or fresh air, if someone is stupid enough to buy it.

OP:s money is propably already gone to feed someones gambling addiction.


P.S Anyone wanting to buy fresh air for $1000? I will send it in envelope.

Real nice that is

[umberto]

I still wait for Cipher to limp in...

[Stanford]

Originally Posted by umberto

I still wait for Cipher to limp in...

Don't hold your breath. This guy is busted. I don't know what took so long.

I have been looking at his web site, and it has scam written all over it. Look at these Cipher threads he just posted of his winning sessions:

http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showthread.php?t=286

His bets jump from 1 to 90 to 240 to 500. This guy is chasing his money. It is a sort of a negative progression. The typical signature of a negative progression is that you win often but when you crash, you crash big. And he wants $1,000 for this record your hands and increase your bet system.

Anyway, he says all that needs to be said at his website. It's all nonsense.

Stanford.

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by umberto

I still wait for Cipher to limp in...

Cipher doesn't have the balls to come in here !

[jenn1381]

WB, first off please accept my sincere condolences about your mom's passing. It truly is one of the most difficult things to go through, and I know this situation isn't helping much.

I have skimmed through all the posts here.. I am shocked at a few things.. first off, do people really pay $1000 for this "system"? Seriously, that money would be better off in your savings account gaining what little interest banks give these days. Also... if it sounds too good to be true... it is. Pretty much always. And no, you can't trust anyone online. You can't trust most people in person let alone online. It is sooooo easy to hide behind the screen. I do hope, however, that it is not as easy to hide behind the law. WB, I would do whatever I could to not only get my $ back but to show his ass that he can't get away with this crap. Like has been said in a previous post, karma is a bitch. I hope he gets his, and good. Don't wait, do it now. this guy obviously isn't going to just surprise you with a check one day. Show him that this shit isn't acceptable.

[Westland Bowl]

Originally Posted by jenn1381

WB, first off please accept my sincere condolences about your mom's passing. It truly is one of the most difficult things to go through, and I know this situation isn't helping much.

I have skimmed through all the posts here.. I am shocked at a few things.. first off, do people really pay $1000 for this "system"? Seriously, that money would be better off in your savings account gaining what little interest banks give these days. Also... if it sounds too good to be true... it is. Pretty much always. And no, you can't trust anyone online. You can't trust most people in person let alone online. It is sooooo easy to hide behind the screen. I do hope, however, that it is not as easy to hide behind the law. WB, I would do whatever I could to not only get my $ back but to show his ass that he can't get away with this crap. Like has been said in a previous post, karma is a bitch. I hope he gets his, and good. Don't wait, do it now. this guy obviously isn't going to just surprise you with a check one day. Show him that this shit isn't acceptable.

Thanks for your condolences. I do miss my mother very much.

The Cipher software that I used was Bruce's older version which he gave out for free. The $1000 one is the newer Java version and was supposed to come iwith personal instructions/lessons via phone (I guess) from Bruce himself.

Indeed, legal action is in the talks right now. There are various ways to go about this: Postal Service investigation, personal lawyer, Federal Class Action lawsuit, DOJ investigation, etc. Weighing the options in the next couple of days.

[Westland Bowl]

These are the words of wit that I received from your brother via email this morning. "QUOTE DAN BELL the brother of TIM BELL aka LIQUID CHIPS, aka WESTLAND BOWL, aka CATMAN DUDE, aka B.J. WIZ: When will you believe we are men of our word?? This is just the beginning and this is my word."

Oh, geez. Cipher now thinks that I'm "B.J. WIZ" over at his forum. http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showt...?p=941#post941

B.J. WIZ has put some postings up linking to my story that I put up over at Online Players Union. Let me tell you that I'm NOT "B.J. WIZ." That is some other guy who I do not know who independently on his/her own decided to post there.

I can't even log onto cipherblackjack.com anymore under my old handle, Catman_Dude. The site doesn't recognize my email anymore. I don't care to go "undercover" there anyway.

[lojo]

Originally Posted by Westland Bowl

I do have a copy of the cashier's check with Bruce Holway's name on it.

But I sent it via Federal Express, instead of the US Postal Mail. Does the Postal law thingy cover private/corporate carriers like FedEx, DHL, etc???

Yip, it would seem so :
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se...262485&er=deny

"In 1994, responding to the ever-increasing threat of new schemes, the federal mail fraud statute was amended to cover not only the United States Postal Service (USPS), but private interstate commercial carriers as well (e.g., United Parcel Service, FedEx, DHL)."

I'd sure pay a jawbone for advice, or go to some online law forums and get some paralegals busy doing some probono research.

I just feel for ya, and I pity the fool who goes so deep into their own fantasy that they will take another's money to 'play'.

If this guy was ballin and driving nice cars and all that on your money, well, if it was fraud, he's got it coming. If, as I suspect, he is sitting in front of a screen trying his foolish damnedest to get your money back, and that guys, and that guys, well, I just pity him and hope he gets the help he needs. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy might be it.

Good luck

[aodat2]

WB if you truthfully ask me about this, I would not go after Cipher personally. I would most probably round up all the people that he cheated so far and get them all together to get a Class Action against him. That way he will definitely feel the pinch a lot more than you single handedly going after him.

When the Feds get involve in a Class Action, they will go all out to HUNT and GET the person who is doing it. Trust me, it's fun to see the Feds work this way.

If you go single handedly, it might not be as big a problem for him and the court might just order him to pay a small summon and your money back. That's totally NOTHING to him and he'll still keep on doing it later on. But if a Class Action is on him, he's gonna be totally DEAD!!!