Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[Pinababy69]

NM. Don't know how that happened.

[winbig]

NM. Don't know how that happened.

What? The big O?

[Pinababy69]

What? The big O?

Major brain freeze. Was talking on IM at the same time I was gonna post and reply to a PM. That's three things at once folks. Some days walking and talking are a challenge.

Winbig, you been told today?

[aodat2]

W B, my 1 and only suggestion to you is to get a lawyer or talk to the DA about this. Get their opinion. Use their knowledge if you feel that most of us here on the board are wrong. BUT

1. Do not delay in anything at all
2. Do not let the statute of limitation run out
3. Do not wait till the last minute to start doing stuff
4. Do not make/accept a deal with Cipher
5. Do not say anything that you might regret later

and most of all

DO NOT LET THIS CASE GO WITHOUT CAUSING SOME DAMAGE!!! (I'm sure you know what I mean)

Just remember this famous ole saying :
"Once a thief, always a thief" & "A leopard never changes his spots"

[RobWin]

Westland Bowl, You need to get in touch with the District Attorney as soon as possible and have him persue the charges of:

1. Theft By Deception

and

2. Theft By Conversion......(before the statue of limitations runs out)


These are two major charges that are Felonies in the US with lots of jail time if convicted.

If you can convince the DA to persue this case it should be your best hope of recovering your money or at least some of it if Cipher is convicted.

Most likely he would plead "Nolo contendere" and the jail time sentence would be suspended by the Judge and Cipher would be placed on Probation until he had fully paid back all monies awared in your case.

Also if you can get Three people together that have been scammed and wronged by his actions you can then file a Class Action Law Suit which is a Federal case.

Hope this helps and Good Luck...

[kakata]

WB do not lose the first fly to CA..................c.mon.
Im a good guy, but I would be sleeping with him untill he would pay me.
There are times in life where you have to decide.
No way ,anybody, can drink my children milk.

[winbig]

WB do not lose the first fly to CA..................c.mon.
Im a good guy, but I would be sleeping with him untill he would pay me.
There are times in life where you have to decide.
No way ,anybody, can drink my children milk.

huh?

If you're suggesting he play by cipher's game, you couldn't be more wrong.

[kakata]

I might be wrong.................
I couldnt sleep nor look myself in the mirror (sorry WB)thinking that a M*****f took my money and Im doin nothing about it

[winbig]

I might be wrong.................
I couldnt sleep nor look myself in the mirror (sorry WB)thinking that a M*****f took my money and Im doin nothing about it

Yea, but if he played by ciphers rules, he would be doin nothin about it.

[Stanford]

It's too bad nobody ever tried to expose Cipher as a system scammer. It's too bad nobody ever made posts on an internet online gambling related messageboard summarizing Cipher's ludicrous claims related to online BJ, trying to show people that he's obviously a fraud.

<sigh>

That's exactly right. And some of us knew better. This isn't watchdog stuff. Watchdogs keep the casinos straight. But those that have a history of gaming knew this Cipher System was all bunk. I knew it and should have said so.

You said so in an earlier thread. You said:

"Cipher's system (program, theory, etc.) does nothing to change the house advantage of the games you are playing. If there was a pattern to be exploited in an online casino's RNG, you would be able to clearly describe and define your edge in mathematical terms.

Do not fool yourself, you are losing because you are playing negative expectation games. You are supposed to lose in the long run unless you do something to create an advantageous situtation (through bonuses, promotions, mistakes in a casino's implementation, etc.)

The only greed you're exhibiting is believing that a nebulous system is creating an edge for you. Rule of thumb ... if you can't precisely define that edge, it doesn't exist."

Well said, Bpb.

BonusLover said so loud and clear at WOL. Zengrifter and a few others did at Blackjackinfo.com. I see Qfit said so - that would be be the developer of Casino Verite software - probably the best card counting software around.

Above, people kept saying there was two sides to this story. No there isn't. A person got scamed. That's all there is to it. And this Cipher system is a bunch of crap - expensive crap - but still crap.

Stanford.