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Old 22nd January 2008, 07:53 PM
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Affiliates with integrity

This is a sister thread to "Outing Rogue Affiliates"

I went against my own premise of first sending a personal message, giving the webmaster time to audit his/her sight, and then outing them in the case of Mojo - and I want to publically apologize to Mojo for that.

I understand that each business person must do their own due diligence and follow their own gut and conscience in determining who to partner with. I also am aware that I don't know much.
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I've learned a lot lately about 'cookie stuffing', affiliate 'tools', etc. and the more I learn about the business of being an affiliate, the more I'm convinced of the need for the good affiliates to apply pressure on others in their industry to only present viable, solid casinos to players.

Please read Casinomeister's response in the 'Rogue Affiliate' thread http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post203088

Though my actions might have had some affect (no webmaster that I contacted refused to address the issue) I'm going to leave it to affiliates to police their own from here on out. And as I said in the other thread, and have stated numerous times; I sincerely want all casinos who struggle with player satisfaction and fairness to simply mend their ways and become truly successful.

With that, my work on the issue is done.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 09:42 PM
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No doubt about it, the casino affiliate business is a very very very dirty business, almost as dirty as politics. (this comes from someone who has been an casino affiliate for years).

Often the affiliate (or group of affiliates) that seem the most respectable in public are often the very worst of the worst in their private(affiliate) actions.

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I understand that each business person must do their own due diligence and follow their own gut and conscience in determining who to partner with.
That is correct.
However in the very secret and private world of casino affiliates, if you don't have a 'program' you have a hard time telling who is the bad guy and who is the good guy.

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I'm going to leave it to affiliates to police their own from here on out.
Affiliates policing their own.... Now that is truly funny.

What I find amazing about this whole casino affiliate thing is that in a business that is all about trust, there exist a group of people that are so ethically challenged.


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For those of you that are upset about the US ban on online casinos... I think you can lay a very large part of the responsibility for that ban in the laps of these ethically challenged affiliates that have given the online casino business such a bad name all around the world, with email spamming and referring players to dishonest casinos/poker rooms and all the other dirty little affiliate tricks that piss people off.
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This is a sister thread to "Outing Rogue Affiliates"
I understand that each business person must do their own due diligence and follow their own gut and conscience in determining who to partner with. I also am aware that I don't know much.

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No doubt about it, the casino affiliate business is a very very very dirty business, almost as dirty as politics. (this comes from someone who has been an casino affiliate for years).

Often the affiliate (or group of affiliates) that seem the most respectable in public are often the very worst of the worst in their private(affiliate) actions.

Affiliates policing their own.... Now that is truly funny.

What I find amazing about this whole casino affiliate thing is that in a business that is all about trust, there exist a group of people that are so ethically challenged.
It becomes even more difficult to find a good program when you find these ethically challenged affiliates are working within the affiliate programs, making the policing a rogues asset.
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To each their own, but I always try to advertise what is considered as a trusted casino for players. How I make these dicissions is base on visiting sites that I feel I can trust. Like the casinomeister and other watch dog sites. Some might think this is about making a few points "nope not the case" just a fact and it works for me. It's always better to visit sites that for one, been around longer and two, provide what you feel is good information to help make certain dicisions.

One of my bigger concerns however is how much I can trust certain casino affiliate programs. I keep a close eye on what goes on with my players and I must say I am quite suspicious with some of the casinos I am affiliated with on whether the programs are registering players stats correctly. But thats a subject of it's own...
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...I always try to advertise what is considered as a trusted casino for players.
Most of the good affiliates do the same thing.

Over in the sister thread aksana made a statement that I think bears repeating.

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I think this what good affiliates have evolved to become, a source of information for players so the players can protect themselves from the rogue casinos.

Problem is so many casinos and affiliate programs are going Rogue right now it is very hard to keep all the bad casinos separated from the very very few good casinos.
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To each their own, but I always try to advertise what is considered as a trusted casino for players. How I make these dicissions is base on visiting sites that I feel I can trust. Like the casinomeister and other watch dog sites. Some might think this is about making a few points "nope not the case" just a fact and it works for me. It's always better to visit sites that for one, been around longer and two, provide what you feel is good information to help make certain dicisions.

One of my bigger concerns however is how much I can trust certain casino affiliate programs. I keep a close eye on what goes on with my players and I must say I am quite suspicious with some of the casinos I am affiliated with on whether the programs are registering players stats correctly. But thats a subject of it's own...
Well put USA2112

And the main thing is we all help each other if anyone gets in a bind with any place they may join.But I do have to say most of it is pure greed to some.
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Problem is so many casinos and affiliate programs are going Rogue right now it is very hard to keep all the bad casinos separated from the very very few good casinos.
I agree it is getting hard.

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But I do have to say most of it is pure greed to some.
I had mentioned in the other thread how some affiliates think its just a big money tree. Well, just don't let greed get in the way and it can be alright and you can earn a little bit. But, for those affiliates that don't care about their players and whether they get burned at a casino will eventually burn down their own tree.
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It becomes even more difficult to find a good program when you find these ethically challenged affiliates are working within the affiliate programs, making the policing a rogues asset.
Gary thats funny man...is that the PC term nowadays for the Rogue Affiliate representing the Rogue Casino....

I'm just curious who all else is a member here that also represents Casinomeisters List of Rogue Casinos on their website...off to research
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affiliates that don't care about their players and whether they get burned at a casino will eventually burn down their own tree.
I have to agree 101% on the burn down their own tree. And some more I say too.
In the past I have had many players ask me that the person that they joined by just ignored them in the time of need.and I have seen it too but I don't like to name names but if they do get into something that will harm that person in anyway you bet I would at that time. It all comes to Trust If you don't have that about that person don't give them the time of day I say.
Thanks to other affiliates that are down to earth to take the time to help iron out the crap from the dirty affiliate.
You do have some bad apples in every bushel.And the worst is it ^%$# when you have people that only care about one thing The Mighty Buck.
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You will find thee best forum in the World but anyplace you go you will always find ^%$# on them as well anyplace you go.You have many back stabbing @h's
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I wouldn't worry about 'trying to make points' USA2112

Might as well out affiliates with integrity, even if you're outing yourself
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