Crooks in the Online Casino Industry

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When reading the Eliot Jacobson/CFG thread here I also checked his blog and then found this from jan 2.

An inbuilt cheat mode in all games, now please read the article on Eliot's blog:

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Does anyone know what software this might be? I guess that Eliot can't tell us, then he probably would have said that in the blog.
 
When reading the Eliot Jacobson/CFG thread here I also checked his blog and then found this from jan 2.

An inbuilt cheat mode in all games, now please read the article on Eliot's blog:

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Does anyone know what software this might be? I guess that Eliot can't tell us, then he probably would have said that in the blog.

I saw the title here and couldnt help but respond
There are crooks everywhere you turn Banks, car dealers,expensive coffee shops,wont mention name here)landlords, real estate agents and i could go on and on so what nakes you think this onlinecasino crooks is unusual?
 
This is something players feel quite often but there is no way to prove any of it.

To me, it does not matter what TNT or CFG or any certifying body says or what seal they use, you have to go with your gut feeling. If you think a casino is employing this type of thing, you shouldn't play there; if you think they all are then you probably shouldn't play anywhere. Sometimes it just seems like there are too many coincidences.

The fact that the certifying bodies we trust with these types of things will not name the offenders is troubling and renders them practically useless. If a restaurant fails a health inspection the public can find out about it.
 
Very worrying to think that this operator is still out there potentially ripping people off.

I try to stick to the main suppliers anyway but not everyone will. I wonder who it is.
 
Unfortunately, my plate is rather full at the moment, but as soon as I've finished the CM Awards, I'll be getting involved with this. I have my suspicions, but I need to do a bit more research on who I think it might be.
 
Eliot Jacobson said:
As far as the number of casinos that run this software, I did a quick Google search and found 14 casinos. I am not sure of the exact number of casinos that currently use this software.

Were Canadians banned from using this cheating, rogue software 2 years ago by any chance? ;)
 
Interesting article, the problem I see is after being certified by anyone, it's a onetime deal unless it's updated every six months or yearly. So what's certification if the poker sites and casinos have complete control of the software program after the fact?

Even newly launched US sites are tested but they don't show by whom and how often testing is required and even if random testing is required.

This coders replies are disgusting and a shot for additional certification that wasn't going to happen in this case.

WTG - E.J.

FYI - When I owned some c-store's years ago a guy would pop in and test the gas pumps to make sure they were working correctly and dispensing the correct $ amount of gas to the consumer. Same should apply within this industry, JMO.
 
This should be in the main forum. People won't find this topic here.

I thought of that when I posted it but as the name for the article written by Eliot Jacobson is "Casino Industry" related then this was the best suited place.

Can a mod move it to the "main forum", which i guess is this:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/community/online-casinos/

I can also add that I thought it was a good idea to tell Eliot I posted this, but he has chosen to turn off PM:s on his account. My own guess is TG software btw. ;)
 
The second line in these notes is also interesting.

cfg_audit_rogue_03.jpg


Where the coder says everyone does it. So it may be this is not just one software but more widespread practise. Truly shocking.
 
When I read Eliot's article again i saw this posted AFTER I made this thread:

[added 1.10.2014]

There has been quite a bit of discussion on some gambling message boards about why I am not willing to disclose this software provider. I was hired by a casino to audit their software provider so that the casino could post the CFG seal. This relationship was not a public audit and was never intended to be public.

I was not hired by a government agency to conduct a public audit. I was not hired by some third-party to publicly investigate a suspected rogue software product. I was hired as a private business by a private business to audit another private business. CFG is not affiliated with any jurisdiction or regulatory agency and has no public disclosure obligation. This relationship and all findings were and are confidential. The only public information would have been permission to use the CFG seal, if it was awarded. It wasn’t. My recourse under the terms of the contract did not provide for a public remedy.

As far as the number of casinos that run this software, I did a quick Google search and found 14 casinos. I am not sure of the exact number of casinos that currently use this software.

One of the greatest sources of security and safety are the players themselves. Every instance I know of a casino software company having their products exposed as rogue in the last few years has been initiated from a player complaint. Complaints by players may be taken lightly by the gaming community without significant evidence to back up their claims. Players who suspect rogue behavior need to keep careful records and be prepared to take proactive steps to back up their case. It is important that players continue to bring their issues forward through established portals, like Casinomeister, thePogg and Wizardofvegas.

No audit is perfect. No audit can be guaranteed to catch malfeasance. But, a rigorous fairness audit is better than no audit at all. It is important that players only choose eCogra, TST and CFG certified casinos. CFG certification, in particular, focuses purely on game fairness. These certifications may not be perfect, but a casino software product that fails to have any of these should be played with caution.

I also wonder why Eliot is publishing the article ONE day after he left CFG? Eliot must have thought that this was one of the first thing to do after he had sold CFG. This makes it even more important, IMO.
 
Does this apply for games like blackjack,video poker,craps,roulette and stuff or would this also be possible to be applied to slots?
I mean do most slots not get delivered by the supplier e.g MGS,Netent etc etc with a set RTP%.
Or can this be altered too? :eek2::eek2:
 
The second line in these notes is also interesting.

Where the coder says everyone does it. So it may be this is not just one software but more widespread practise. Truly shocking.

Sounds more like someone justifying their crime, like a pickpocket would say, 'everybody steals' :/
 
Does anyone know what software this might be?

I like detective shows maybe why I like sleuthing, either that or I have too much time on my hands :D

Although Eliot didn't name the software, he said it is used on "14" casinos. Dug up this place casinomoonbeach.com (fake licensing seal and other misleading garbage, seems to be of Russian origin). Following the affiliate link, how many casino properties does it promote? The magic number of 14. See them all listed here affiliate4you.org/projects

Google affiliate4you.org and came up with this
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Seven pages and a very interesting read. Even GreedyGirl makes an appearance with a notable post. A few other threads at this place, on this topic.

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out the software though. Maybe this isn't the same outfit but imo it's worth flagging.

located software - casino4you.org/main/home/ (seems this crowd like registering .org domains which others have built up on the .com)

As suspected bogus gaming license and Audit from Costa Rica (entering the casino domains, produce a bogus certificate and audit):
gamblingtest.org
worldgaminglegal.com
 
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Reading that 2011 thread was an exercise in frustration as those concerned tried to get normal business information for what were clearly evasive Russians, and regrettably I was still no wiser regarding the software after all the contradictory answers and the apparent lack of response from b3w on whether they had supplied the software or were the subject of an intellectual property rip-off.

Not sure that I bought the Russian story that the software was written by InternetCash of Ukraine, which appeared to be owned by the ubiquitous Fordlex company whose name kept cropping up in connection with all the other apparently associated companies in that long thread.

I was surprised by the low level of participation in the thread by other GPWA affiliates. I would have expected more than just the handful who seemed really concerned about their professional association endorsing a very suspicious operator, and the apparent lack of effective vetting of that operator.
 
Unfortunately, my plate is rather full at the moment, but as soon as I've finished the CM Awards, I'll be getting involved with this. I have my suspicions, but I need to do a bit more research on who I think it might be.

Bryan,
Since this thread has re-surfaced............have you had a chance to do any research?

Thanks,
Diane
 
Are we making an assumption that the software audited was B3wgraphics? They have a rather checkered past and a history at Casinomeister. A while back, they had some issues with their software - everything from how it played to trademark issues (copying others games, etc.).
 

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