Unlucky.... or rigged?

[KasinoKing]

I find it hard to believe that reputable softwares rig their games (why would they need to?), but sometimes I find it even harder to believe I'm getting a truly random game - most especially with Casino Texas Hold'em.

Can anyone work out the odds of the results of hands 2 to 6...?
(All played at $2 ante).

Game: Texas Hold'Em
Starting at [2007/04/22 09:05:06] and lasting for 0:02:22
Total bets: $40.00 No of bets: 6
Result: $-40.00

Hand # 1
Your cards: 4 Spades, 7 Clubs
Your response: Fold

Hand # 2
Your cards: 9 Clubs, Ace Diamonds
Your response: Bet $4.00
Flop: 9 Spades, 9 Hearts, 2 Spades
Your response: Bet $2.00
Turn: 4 Diamonds
Your response: Bet $2.00
River: 6 Spades
Dealer's cards: 5 Clubs, 3 Spades
Your hand: Three of a kind: 9C, 9H, 9S, AD, 6S
Dealer's hand: Straight: 6S, 5C, 4D, 3S, 2S
Your hand wins $0.00

Hand # 3
Your cards: 4 Diamonds, 7 Diamonds
Your response: Bet $4.00
Flop: 6 Spades, Jack Clubs, 7 Hearts
Your response: Check
Turn: 9 Diamonds
Your response: Check
River: 8 Spades
Dealer's cards: 8 Diamonds, 3 Spades
Your hand: One pair: 7D, 7H, JC, 9D, 8S
Dealer's hand: One pair: 8D, 8S, JC, 9D, 7H
Your hand wins $0.00

Hand # 4
Your cards: 4 Hearts, Jack Diamonds
Your response: Bet $4.00
Flop: 7 Clubs, 10 Spades, 2 Hearts
Your response: Check
Turn: Ace Hearts
Your response: Check
River: King Spades
Dealer's cards: 8 Hearts, 8 Spades
Your hand: High Card: AH, KS, JD, 10S, 7C
Dealer's hand: One pair: 8H, 8S, AH, KS, 10S
Your hand wins $0.00

Hand # 5
Your cards: 8 Clubs, 8 Hearts
Your response: Bet $4.00
Flop: 8 Spades, 10 Clubs, Queen Hearts
Your response: Bet $2.00
Turn: Jack Diamonds
Your response: Bet $2.00
River: 5 Clubs
Dealer's cards: 9 Spades, 2 Clubs
Your hand: Three of a kind: 8C, 8H, 8S, QH, JD
Dealer's hand: Straight: QH, JD, 10C, 9S, 8S
Your hand wins $0.00

Hand # 6
Your cards: 10 Spades, 10 Clubs
Your response: Bet $4.00
Flop: Queen Clubs, 3 Spades, 7 Hearts
Your response: Check
Turn: Queen Spades
Your response: Check
River: 8 Spades
Dealer's cards: 2 Spades, 4 Spades
Your hand: Two pairs: QC, QS, 10C, 10S, 8S
Dealer's hand: Flush: QS, 8S, 4S, 3S, 2S
Your hand wins $0.00

That was as much as I could stand; $40 lost in 2 minutes makes slot play look like winning the lottery!

3 times out of the 6 the dealer caught a key card on the river... (it was 8 of Spades twice!)
Another time he just 'happened' to have the one card needed for the straight...

[pokeraddict]

This stuff happens in regular poker too. It just happens here that you were playing the house. I think it goes along the lines of if you were playing blackjack and the dealer made 3 blackjacks in a row you would question it but if you had them you probably wouldn't remember it 10 minutes later.

[brutaldeluxe]

Casino hold 'em has to be fixed cards, otherwise how are they getting a house edge ? Every time you go all in you are called regardless and so you can get your money in ahead all-in 90%+ of the time. You can check down all hands when you have nothing and often you are playing for an extra bet off the other player in the pot too. Only ever having to put in extra cash when you have a decent hand. Cards have to be fixed, if cards were random you could make a fortune off that game.

[pokeraddict]

Casino hold 'em has to be fixed cards, otherwise how are they getting a house edge ? Every time you go all in you are called regardless and so you can get your money in ahead all-in 90%+ of the time. You can check down all hands when you have nothing and often you are playing for an extra bet off the other player in the pot too. Only ever having to put in extra cash when you have a decent hand. Cards have to be fixed, if cards were random you could make a fortune off that game.

With this theory do casinos that offer the same game deal themselves seconds when you are not looking?

There is a house advantage in this game as you can see here, especially on the bonus bet. There is no need to rig the cards for the house to win.

http://wizardofodds.com/texasholdembonus

[aka23]

I find it hard to believe that reputable softwares rig their games (why would they need to?), but sometimes I find it even harder to believe I'm getting a truly random game - most especially with Casino Texas Hold'em.

If you are talking about Wagerworks Texas Hold'em Shootout, then quite a few others have made similar comments. One player mentioned losing 49 hands in a row.

[brutaldeluxe]

Wrong game, texas hold 'em bonus is a totally different game with built in house edge. There's no all in option or anything or the like on this.

Texas Hold 'em shootout is completely different. If you go to

http://www.bluesqcasino.com/BSQCasin...?casino=bluesq

You can play it for free without having to log in or anything and you should get the idea. They also offer texas hold 'em bonus too.

Don't try and brand me with the "everything is fixed" brigade. That's not what I said. I cannot see how the house could possibly have an edge in texas hold 'em shootout unless the cards are fixed. That's completely different to games which have a house edge where the cards are random. If the cards were random you could win a fotune playing texas hold 'em shootout surely ?

If not would you care to explain where the house derives their edge from texas hold 'em shoot out ? Explains the maths.

With this theory do casinos that offer the same game deal themselves seconds when you are not looking?

There is a house advantage in this game as you can see here, especially on the bonus bet. There is no need to rig the cards for the house to win.

http://wizardofodds.com/texasholdembonus

[brutaldeluxe]

Just had a look at the rules and it says.....

Rules
A new, standard 52-card deck is shuffled for each hand of play.

Each bot receives two random cards, just like the player.

Bots have no knowledge of the value of the player’s initial two cards.

Malfunction voids all pays and play.

It makes no mention as to how the community cards are selected and if they are random though. I would hasten a guess that they community cards are not random.

[brutaldeluxe]

Hmm the plot thickens, upon looking at the payout it says

The expected payback for this game of chance is 100.00% based upon strategy

That would seem to imply that the flop is random too. If everything is random surely you can beat this long term and it's not 100% ?!?!
You can go all-in any time for 8x your bet and the computer always calls no matter what cards he has.

You are always playing against the strongest of two hands.....disadvantage there. However sometimes you are only putting in two bets to win 5 bets if one bot calls and then folds.

If you have nothing you can always check it down. If you have a hand you can always bet it for as much as possible and you will be called regardless of what the bot has.

That can't be 100% if it's random surely ? Call me cynical but something slightly fishy here.

[pokeraddict]

I got you, I was not familiar with this other game.

[kakata]

KK is not used to lose.........lol.
Thats Y..........