PKR revoking bonus for no reason.

[kernow]

Seeing as that Playtech slots have autoplay built in, and autoplay is essentially a bot, I think we can safely say that this statement is incorrect.

But slots are not the game in question in this case. It is Casino Hold 'Em, which does not have an autoplay. There is little/no strategy involved in playing slots, whereas there is in Casino Hold 'Em.

[topoor]

This discussion is moot in this thread as I havent used a bot.

In my mind this issue has gone way beyond the bonus removal and is more about the abusive practices of PKR and the seemingly covert link between casinos and Moneybookers.

Thats not to say I dont want my $250 back

[vinylweatherman]

Very strange chronology of events.

Did Alderney not mention the basis on which PKR are justifying their confiscation of funds ("bonus abuse" requires definition if it indeed does exist)?

Looking at game history might be akin to looking at Tea Leaves. What on earth are they expecting to see in the Tea Leaves?

If per chance a "bot" is seen in the Tea Leaves should Alderney not then seek your further representations before arriving at a decision? (Wow! You can just imagine the ramifications of an adverse player ruling.)

Having said that it does seem Alderney are moving with some haste toward a thankfully timely resolution which puts the likes of Malta LGA to an absolute shame.

Keep us updated topoor - it's better than watching TV.

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Not so, where the casino has alleged "abusive play", the playlogs are the best place to look for this. Once the style of play has been looked at, then Alderney can see whether any terms of the bonus have been broken. If PKR turn out to be the ones that made Moneybookers close the account, this will look very bad for them unless there is clear evidence of FRAUD.
Alderney should be informed that this closure of a Moneybookers account seems to be related to this dispute, and I don't expect they will be too happy that their decision has been taken for granted by PKR as being in their favour before they have even had a chance to begin their investigation.

[mpt6cas]

Hi i am new here, and very happy of this place.
I also play this reload bonus, but do not cash out yet

I made a winning for 200 $

what do you mean, should i wait with my cash out, cause the chance that i am get banned is over 95 % i think

What should i do, wait and see what happens ?

Please help.

Regards Micka

[Roar]

Not so, where the casino has alleged "abusive play", the playlogs are the best place to look for this. Once the style of play has been looked at, then Alderney can see whether any terms of the bonus have been broken. If PKR turn out to be the ones that made Moneybookers close the account, this will look very bad for them unless there is clear evidence of FRAUD.
Alderney should be informed that this closure of a Moneybookers account seems to be related to this dispute, and I don't expect they will be too happy that their decision has been taken for granted by PKR as being in their favour before they have even had a chance to begin their investigation.

I "think" PKR are alleging "bonus abuse" rather than "abusive play". Since "bonus abuse" remains an abstract concept, existing only in the minds of Casinos, it is more than a curiosity just how Alderney plan on approaching and identifying "an undefinable abstract bonus abuse concept" within the Tea Leaves of gaming history.

"Bonus abuse" on a lot of occasions means nothing more than the punter playing his cards correctly (and/or together with an optimal wager strategy).

And I suspect it this type of play PKR consider "bonus abuse". The player dared to play the best strategy he possibly could.

Are Alderney looking for evidence of an "optimal playing strategy" within the gaming history? Are they going to rule against the player for playing his cards correctly?

This is better than TV.

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[spearmaster]

But slots are not the game in question in this case. It is Casino Hold 'Em, which does not have an autoplay. There is little/no strategy involved in playing slots, whereas there is in Casino Hold 'Em.

Had you not referred to slots in your statement, I wouldn't have said anything.

[vinylweatherman]

Hi i am new here, and very happy of this place.
I also play this reload bonus, but do not cash out yet

I made a winning for 200 $

what do you mean, should i wait with my cash out, cause the chance that i am get banned is over 95 % i think

What should i do, wait and see what happens ?

Please help.

Regards Micka

Make sure you have fully met the terms of this reload, and the general terms of the casino. If so, cash out - do not be tempted to play it all back.

If they try any tricks involving vague claims of "abuse", then get them to give you an Email of deadlock, and then go to Alderney.

If this is a widespread trick with PKR, the more of these that land up with Alderney, the better. They will see this as a trend, and not just one isolated incident.

[jolub]

This is related. On Pit Bull's poker site they state that they are licensed in the UK. So I tried filing a complain with UK Gambling commission. The UK Gambling commission said they are not a UK based company.

[vinylweatherman]

This is related. On Pit Bull's poker site they state that they are licensed in the UK. So I tried filing a complain with UK Gambling commission. The UK Gambling commission said they are not a UK based company.

Are Pit Bull related to PKR?

I would expect the UK Gambling Commission to know who they have licenced or not, and any site that claims to hold a UK licence but does not is breaking the law (athough if they are not in the EU, there is little that can be done about it).

In general, any site making false claims about their licencing juristiction should be considered as rogue.

[topoor]

I seem to be fighting a losing battle with Alderney over the moneybookers link. The first reply from them advised me that they would investigate Gamebookers although they thought it unikely that two seperate issues were related!

Once I pointed out that I was referring to MONEYBOOKERS I got a response containing contact details for the FSA!

I have now written back and expressed my disappointment at having to reiterate that this is not an FSA issue but is a complaint about the lies told to Moneybookers from PKR.

Whilst on the phone to moneybookers a customer service rep let it slip that PKR were the complainant but of course Moneybookers will not officially confirm this.

In fact, Moneybookers will now not respond to my requests for information on how to proceed with a subject access request or even how to receive information held about me under the data protection act.

It is shocking that multi million pound, government regulated companies behave in this manner. If it wasnt happening to me I dont think I would believe it!