I apologize to the CasinoMeister Forum

[daveboz]

for all my past whining please forgive me. I have been extremely fortunate playing online video poker as of late. Now that doesn't mean I won't start in again especially if I have trouble getting paid! Looks like it will take at least 2 months to cash out the winnings. weekly maximum.

Any advice, should I space these ACH' out over a real long period? I'm sure 8 weeks of sizeable payouts into my Bank will alert someone.

 

[3mptyseat]

did u start the 'vp isnt random' thread? If so, lol. Good thang it aint random turkey wang... BC other wise, u dont win 20k plus, right?

I dont have issues with CW ACH's ever, but u should not expect an answer in this section, Americur the Snootiful section will garner more respuestas....

Talk to the rep here, Tom, sn ClubWorld. U may find he is a veritable fountain of resource and info on the cash out matter...

LOL< yeah. u better be a lil careful, its a felony in ur state to play online vp...

 

[rainmaker]

Hello,

Good to see that you apologize.

The thing about you, is that almost every post you have written have been about a casino/provider/game that you think is "rigged". You have named probably almost 10 casinos (or something) that is "rigged". You have indicated that VP in general are rigged, RTG are rigged and gambling in general is only "a bad habit" for you (ref: your profile).

To give you an advice. I think you need to quit gambling. I don`t say this to be mean, but you should cash in this VP win and consider to quit gambling.

Anyway, congratulations on your great win. Enjoy it, and have a nice day daveboz

 

[daveboz]

Hello,

Good to see that you apologize.

The thing about you, is that almost every post you have written have been about a casino/provider/game that you think is "rigged". You have named probably almost 10 casinos (or something) that is "rigged". You have indicated that VP in general are rigged, RTG are rigged and gambling in general is only "a bad habit" for you (ref: your profile).

To give you an advice. I think you need to quit gambling. I don`t say this to be mean, but you should cash in this VP win and consider to quit gambling.

Anyway, congratulations on your great win. Enjoy it, and have a nice day daveboz

Darn it Rainmaker! You just had to add the ole BUT... and stoke the fire again didn't you?

You're right I have considered your recommendation as these hits occur once in a blue moon.

 

[daveboz]

did u start the 'vp isnt random' thread? If so, lol. Good thang it aint random turkey wang... BC other wise, u dont win 20k plus, right?

I dont have issues with CW ACH's ever, but u should not expect an answer in this section, Americur the Snootiful section will garner more respuestas....

Talk to the rep here, Tom, sn ClubWorld. U may find he is a veritable fountain of resource and info on the cash out matter...

LOL< yeah. u better be a lil careful, its a felony in ur state to play online vp...

Is it legal to play online in California? CA is still part of the USA right?

Yes the WA State Gaming Commission states this but cmon .

 

[daveboz]

Hello,

Good to see that you apologize.

The thing about you, is that almost every post you have written have been about a casino/provider/game that you think is "rigged". You have named probably almost 10 casinos (or something) that is "rigged". You have indicated that VP in general are rigged, RTG are rigged and gambling in general is only "a bad habit" for you (ref: your profile).

To give you an advice. I think you need to quit gambling. I don`t say this to be mean, but you should cash in this VP win and consider to quit gambling.

Anyway, congratulations on your great win. Enjoy it, and have a nice day daveboz

"You have named probably almost 10 casinos (or something) that is "rigged"."


Are you 100% sure of this claim? Why would you make a statement like this? What is it? I have or probably have? Are you not confident in the number?
I can name "4" I have bitched abot.

 

[lots0]

Thanks for the apology.

It is a class C Felony in your state to even talk about online gambling over the phone or online. Let alone gamble online...

Your State government has been purchased by the Native Casinos...

Washington State Internet Gambling Law
In 2006, the State Legislature amended RCW 9.46.240
as follows:
Added the Internet and telecommunications
transmissions as illegal ways to send or receive
gambling information. Prior to 2006, this law stated it
was illegal to knowingly send or receive gambling
information by telephone, telegraph, radio, or any other
similar means.
Increased the penalty for transmitting gambling
information from a gross misdemeanor to a class C
felony.
It is illegal to:
Operate an Internet gambling site.
Gamble on the Internet.
Install or maintain equipment to send or receive
gambling information.
Facilitate Internet gambling in any way.

 

[Webzcas]

Thread moved to ATB

 

[nisosbar]

It is a class C Felony in your state to even talk about online gambling over the phone or online.

The First Amendment of the US Constitution protects speech which means superior federal law invalidates state laws that contradict it, so while I'm not a lawyer, in my opinion, this law would be thrown out of court if they tried to prosecute someone for talking about gambling online.

 

[lots0]

The First Amendment of the US Constitution protects speech which means superior federal law invalidates state laws that contradict it, so while I'm not a lawyer, in my opinion, this law would be thrown out of court if they tried to prosecute someone for talking about gambling online.

The Washington State Supreme Court says different... This law was upheld by the Washington State Supreme Court... It is the CONFIRMED and UPHELD law of the land in Washington State.

Washington State Supreme Court Ruling
Rousso vs. State of Washington
Rousso challenged the constitutionality of the State’s
Internet gambling law
In a unanimous 9-0 decision, the Washington State Supreme Court Upheld the States ban on Internet gambling.

Freedom of speech in America is a joke. There are legal exceptions after legal exceptions to the "Freedom of Speech" clause in the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

See the First Amendment ONLY applies to the Federal Congress... State Congresses can do whatever they want regarding "Free Speech"... and they have and it was upheld by the highest court in Washington.

Just because the powers that be in Washington State have decided not to ENFORCE one part of this law today does not mean they won't start ENFORCING the law tomorrow.

 

[Brooklyn]

Wait, it's a crime to talk about online gaming in Washington? What? That is ridic. Perhaps the most ridic thing I have heard in a long time...

 

[lots0]

Wait, it's a crime to talk about online gaming in Washington? What? That is ridic. Perhaps the most ridic thing I have heard in a long time...

Ridicules but true... If your online or on the phone in Washington State and your just talking about online gambling you have committed a class C Felony.

Person to person talking about online gambling is not illegal in Washington State... yet.

But I'll bet that the Native Casinos are working hard to pay the elected officials in Washington State enough money to make it illegal for people to even think about online gambling....

 

[nisosbar]

The Washington State Supreme Court says different... This law was upheld by the Washington State Supreme Court... It is the CONFIRMED and UPHELD law of the land in Washington State.

Until it gets appealed to the US Supreme Court. End of story.

Washington State Supreme Court Ruling
Rousso vs. State of Washington
Rousso challenged the constitutionality of the State’s
Internet gambling law
In a unanimous 9-0 decision, the Washington State Supreme Court Upheld the States ban on Internet gambling.

I'm confused. Gambling is one thing. Speech is another thing.

Freedom of speech in America is a joke. There are legal exceptions after legal exceptions to the "Freedom of Speech" clause in the First Amendment.

See the First Amendment ONLY applies to the Federal Congress... State Congresses can do whatever they want regarding "Free Speech"... and they have and it was upheld by the highest court in Washington.

The highest court in Washington is, on federal matters, inferior to the US Supreme Court and federal courts, and I believe the superior federal court that rules on issues relating to the area encompassing WA is the 9th Circuit, based in SF. Regardless, no state may infringe on speech unless there is a compelling interest.

I think you have misinterpreted the ruling, with all due respect, lots0.

Just because the powers that be in Washington State have decided not to ENFORCE one part of this law today does not mean they won't start ENFORCING the law tomorrow.

Again, I believe you must have misinterpreted what the law actually says. I can not believe that the law states that talking about gambling online is illegal. Paid advertisements? Maybe. Commercial speech is not the type of speech referred to in the First Amendment.

 

[nisosbar]

The law in Rousso was challenged NOT on First Amendment grounds, but rather, on Commerce Clause grounds. If it HAD been challenged on First Amendment grounds, perhaps the ruling would have been different.

 

[theAPCW]

Hey Meister people...

I don't chime in here much but this thread was brought to my attention. I live in Washington State and am quite familiar with the Gambling Commission. In fact, we are actually on a first name basis (not a joke, but LOL anyways).

It is true that playing online in Washington is a felony, but it is believed that the odds of any player being prosecuted are remote, unless they were caught up in something else related to online gambling. If I did play online, however, I certainly wouldn't advertise it, admit to it in a forum, or throw it in there face. The Gambling Commission has unique, scary powers and you do NOT want to screw with them. Ask Nick Jenkins.

The real targets of the state law in Washington are operators and (believe it or not) webmasters. I was told that hyper-linking to online casinos via my affiliate website was a felony. It did not matter where the site was hosted. It did not matter where the players were from. All that mattered was that I owned it and lived in the state. So my reward for trying to be transparent, open and and honest was that they knew exactly who I was and where to find me. My sites all came down at 11:59pm the night before the law took effect.

I have not heard that it was also illegal to simply speak of online gambling over the telephone. I'm not saying that it's not true... this state has it's head so far up it's butt that it doesn't sound far fetched. However, I live here... and I've been talking about it over You Tube for nearly 5 years now. The Gambling Commission knows where I am and what I am doing, and in their own words during on of our many conversations, what I am doing is just "not worth their trouble".

It is true that the Rousso case was not about the First Amendment. I covered that trial in Seattle (Renton)

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in May of 2008. It's also important to remember that (in addition to the correct observation that "free speech" is a federal right) there are various levels of protected speech. As an affiliate, what we do is considered "commercial" speech and held to a different standard... believe me, I tried to hide behind "free speech" before I shut down my sites.

I hope this helps. Just remember that in Washington State:

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[NicolasJohnson]

Something that I've noticed people to do when talking about activity the government doesn't like is to refer to it as a friend, pet or something else.

So instead of:

"I deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

It'd be:

"John Dole/My friend/My pet elephant/My cat/etc deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

That way your posts aren't 'self incriminating'. However, I'm not a legal expert and this is in no way to be considered legal counsel.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliate Manager

 

[Repro]

Something that I've noticed people to do when talking about activity the government doesn't like is to refer to it as a friend, pet or something else.

So instead of:

"I deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

It'd be:

"John Dole/My friend/My pet elephant/My cat/etc deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

That way your posts aren't 'self incriminating'. However, I'm not a legal expert and this is in no way to be considered legal counsel.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliate Manager

Nicolas, thanks for your legal councel !

 

[lots0]

Until it gets appealed to the US Supreme Court. End of story.

End of what story? From what I understand. The US Supreme Court has Refused to hear the case in 2008.

I suggest you read this from the Washington State Gambling Commission.

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In 2006 the existing Washington State Law, that made it a misdemeanor to

...illegal to knowingly send or receive gambling
information by telephone, telegraph, radio, or any other
similar means.

Was changed and after 2006 the penalty became a class C Felony.

Now if you talk about online gambling you are exchanging information... If you do it on the phone in Washington State, you are committing a Class C Felony... Simple as that.

Here is the exact text of the Washington State law... After you read it you tell me I'm wrong.

RCW 9.46.240
Gambling information, transmitting or receiving.


Whoever knowingly transmits or receives gambling information by telephone, telegraph, radio, semaphore, the internet, a telecommunications transmission system, or similar means, or knowingly installs or maintains equipment for the transmission or receipt of gambling information shall be guilty of a class C felony subject to the penalty set forth in RCW 9A.20.021. However, this section shall not apply to such information transmitted or received or equipment installed or maintained relating to activities authorized by this chapter or to any act or acts in furtherance thereof when conducted in compliance with the provisions of this chapter and in accordance with the rules adopted under this chapter.

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Just because the Washington state stormtroopers have not chosen to enforce this law YET, does not mean they won't tomorrow or the day after...
As soon as their bosses, the native casinos, decide to push them, the hammer will come down.

Not my fault.. the law is the way it is... I don't like it anymore than you.
But it is what it is...

 

[daveboz]

End of what story? From what I understand. The US Supreme Court has Refused to hear the case in 2008.

I suggest you read this from the Washington State Gambling Commission.

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In 2006 the existing Washington State Law, that made it a misdemeanor to Was changed and after 2006 the penalty became a class C Felony.

Now if you talk about online gambling you are exchanging information... If you do it on the phone in Washington State, you are committing a Class C Felony... Simple as that.




Here is the exact text of the Washington State law... After you read it you tell me I'm wrong.


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Just because the Washington state stormtroopers have not chosen to enforce this law YET, does not mean they won't tomorrow or the day after...
As soon as their bosses, the native casinos, decide to push them, the hammer will come down.

Not my fault.. the law is the way it is... I don't like it anymore than you.
But it is what it is...

I don't see the tribal casinos complaining anytime soon. Their casinos are always full or at the very least half full.

Besides I may be a WA resident but I'm playing on my computer in Phoenix.

 

[Papa-ya]

I am finding myself in agreement with Footdr, theAPCW, Nicholas Johnson and others, we need to stop the facebook blabbermouth attitude we have been cultivated into and start keeping our own secrets.

It comes down to our last defense for us the people, the players, to stop being so transparent. We are so willing to tell anything and everything about ourselves and our business. Why do we so willingly and eagerly throw everything we do out in the public?

We brag, we bitch, we praise, we tout, we splash our winning screenshot all over the place, we tell how and where we can still play and by what means. Blab blab blab!

I feel in this day and age for many of us, especially in the US, we need to really be peeps, speak not a peep about what we do, how we do it and so on. Even in the ATB thread, you only have to be a member to monitor it, nothing dfifficult about that.

Until everything crumbles or clears, we should use a lot more discretion for the time being.

JMO

 

[De Beuker]

Something that I've noticed people to do when talking about activity the government doesn't like is to refer to it as a friend, pet or something else.

So instead of:

"I deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

It'd be:

"John Dole/My friend/My pet elephant/My cat/etc deposited $50 at xyz and won big!"

That way your posts aren't 'self incriminating'. However, I'm not a legal expert and this is in no way to be considered legal counsel.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliate Manager

That, or they use SWIM. (Someone Who Isn't Me)

SWIM just hit a random!! I'm so happy for SWIM!!

Sad if it really comes that far..

 

[lots0]

I don't see the tribal casinos complaining anytime soon. Their casinos are always full or at the very least half full.

Why do you think the Washington State law is the way it is? to protect those Indian Casinos...

so no they don't complain... Why should they? They own the entire system.

 

[Nifty29]

U

I am finding myself in agreement with Footdr, theAPCW, Nicholas Johnson and others, we need to stop the facebook blabbermouth attitude we have been cultivated into and start keeping our own secrets.

It comes down to our last defense for us the people, the players, to stop being so transparent. We are so willing to tell anything and everything about ourselves and our business. Why do we so willingly and eagerly throw everything we do out in the public?

We brag, we bitch, we praise, we tout, we splash our winning screenshot all over the place, we tell how and where we can still play and by what means. Blab blab blab!

I feel in this day and age for many of us, especially in the US, we need to really be peeps, speak not a peep about what we do, how we do it and so on. Even in the ATB thread, you only have to be a member to monitor it, nothing dfifficult about that.

Until everything crumbles or clears, we should use a lot more discretion for the time being.

JMO

You have a point, but the problem is that unless everyone does it there isn't much point.

If the DOJ wants to know stuff, a few CM members keeping quiet isn't going to stop them.

 

[nisosbar]

End of what story? From what I understand. The US Supreme Court has Refused to hear the case in 2008.

I suggest you read this from the Washington State Gambling Commission.

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In 2006 the existing Washington State Law, that made it a misdemeanor to Was changed and after 2006 the penalty became a class C Felony.

Now if you talk about online gambling you are exchanging information... If you do it on the phone in Washington State, you are committing a Class C Felony... Simple as that.

Here is the exact text of the Washington State law... After you read it you tell me I'm wrong.


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Just because the Washington state stormtroopers have not chosen to enforce this law YET, does not mean they won't tomorrow or the day after...
As soon as their bosses, the native casinos, decide to push them, the hammer will come down.

Not my fault.. the law is the way it is... I don't like it anymore than you.
But it is what it is...

The law was not challenged on First Amendment grounds, so it hasn't been tested on that, because nobody has to date been prosecuted for talking about gambling online in WA state. When that happens, the law will be thrown out as being vague, and a law that infringes free speech. We're probably just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Papa-ya]

U

You have a point, but the problem is that unless everyone does it there isn't much point.

If the DOJ wants to know stuff, a few CM members keeping quiet isn't going to stop them.

Thank you and you have a point as well. People will continue to talk and tell how they can deposit here this way or there that way, to circumvent the difficulties and letting everyone interested know how to continue playing, speaking mainly in regards to the US situation.

But I for one and I'm sure there are others, will no longer be part of freely throwing my secrets out there. I will no longer make the DOJ's job easy.

Funny how "Transparency" was so desired in regards to casinos, do we get total transparency from them, no, is our governing body transparent, no, but boy howdy, we the people are so transparent they can read a newspaper right through us.